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Rantanen Tkachuk Laine V2 thoughts

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Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 28, 2019
Published: Aug. 28, 2019
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4$7,750,000
4$7,000,000
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1.
MTL
  1. Rantanen, Mikko [RFA Rights]
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  1. Danault, Phillip
  2. Primeau, Cayden
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MTL
  1. Laine, Patrik [RFA Rights]
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  1. Petry, Jeff
  2. 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
  3. 2021 1st round pick (MTL)
  4. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
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G
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Aug. 28, 2019 at 2:09 p.m.
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In what world is Tkachuk worth that? Also, you didn't pay enough for Rantanen
Aug. 28, 2019 at 2:09 p.m.
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The greatest part of this scenario would be one of the original teams coming back with an offer sheet to get their player back since MTL wouldn’t be able to afford all 3. For example, WPG offer sheets Laine at 8.5-9Mx5 yrs would mean WPG gets Petry and 3 1sts for two firsts a 2nd and a 3rd.
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Aug. 28, 2019 at 2:35 p.m.
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In what world is Tkachuk worth that? Also, you didn't pay enough for Rantanen


Too much for Tkachuk?
Aug. 28, 2019 at 2:36 p.m.
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Too much for Tkachuk?


3 top 6 players, how does Calgary say no lol and they save money
Aug. 28, 2019 at 2:43 p.m.
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The greatest part of this scenario would be one of the original teams coming back with an offer sheet to get their player back since MTL wouldn’t be able to afford all 3. For example, WPG offer sheets Laine at 8.5-9Mx5 yrs would mean WPG gets Petry and 3 1sts for two firsts a 2nd and a 3rd.


The greater odds are that Laine wouldn't accept a contract if it wasn't 7 yrs. Although your scenario is possible, that's a gamble I'd be willing to take. As it stands right now, between Laine, Rantanen and Tkachuk, Laine would be the last contract I'd try to settle in 4 yrs. But things can change with time.
Aug. 28, 2019 at 2:47 p.m.
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3 top 6 players, how does Calgary say no lol and they save money


They can make the case that Gally and Tatar could walk in 2 yrs. And they'll be left only with Drouin. I'm strongly betting they'll try hard to resign Gally.

You make it sound that I could probably get a little something extra in return apart from Tkachuk and Frolik.
Aug. 28, 2019 at 3:04 p.m.
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would be pretty choked if that was a deal for Rants bc for them to feel the impact of Colefield Primeau, its 3 to 4 years down the line and by then Avs would be off the sweet Mack Contract. Values interseting, personally not a fan of Danault as a piece bc the Avs already have Kadri as 2C with Newhook and Jost/Compher/Bowers fighting for the 3C spot. Not the ideal piece.

Mentioned it before, really think the only guy to get their interest perked would be Kotkaniemi.
Aug. 28, 2019 at 3:24 p.m.
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3 top 6 players, how does Calgary say no lol and they save money


Not all top 6 players are created equal
Aug. 28, 2019 at 3:25 p.m.
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These are all very bad. Although the laine one is bad for Montreal
Aug. 28, 2019 at 3:44 p.m.
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These are all very bad. Although the laine one is bad for Montreal


How should I restructure the WPG trade IYO?
Aug. 28, 2019 at 4:12 p.m.
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How should I restructure the WPG trade IYO?


I would offer drouin, a 1st and a b prospect
Aug. 28, 2019 at 4:30 p.m.
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I would offer drouin, a 1st and a b prospect


No can do. I gave Drouin to CGY
Aug. 28, 2019 at 4:32 p.m.
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would be pretty choked if that was a deal for Rants bc for them to feel the impact of Colefield Primeau, its 3 to 4 years down the line and by then Avs would be off the sweet Mack Contract. Values interseting, personally not a fan of Danault as a piece bc the Avs already have Kadri as 2C with Newhook and Jost/Compher/Bowers fighting for the 3C spot. Not the ideal piece.

Mentioned it before, really think the only guy to get their interest perked would be Kotkaniemi.


Kotkaniemi and Primeau wink
Aug. 28, 2019 at 4:54 p.m.
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No can do. I gave Drouin to CGY


Calgary will never make that trade, neither will colorado
Aug. 28, 2019 at 5:00 p.m.
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The greater odds are that Laine wouldn't accept a contract if it wasn't 7 yrs. Although your scenario is possible, that's a gamble I'd be willing to take. As it stands right now, between Laine, Rantanen and Tkachuk, Laine would be the last contract I'd try to settle in 4 yrs. But things can change with time.


I mean you gave him 4 years....
Aug. 28, 2019 at 5:49 p.m.
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I mean you gave him 4 years....


I gave him 4 yrs for the same reason Meier and Aho accepted the cheaper short term extensions, they're betting on themselves. Because GMs will feel it's gonna be worth giving them big extensions ( money and term) when they're 25. If Laine was to accept a 8.5 mill deal at 8 yrs from WPG, it'll expire when he's 29. No One will give big extension to a 29 nowadays. If he averages 40 goals for the next 4 yrs, he'll easily get
10 mill × 7yrs in his next contract and will expire when he's 32-33 yrs old.
Aug. 28, 2019 at 9:19 p.m.
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I gave him 4 yrs for the same reason Meier and Aho accepted the cheaper short term extensions, they're betting on themselves. Because GMs will feel it's gonna be worth giving them big extensions ( money and term) when they're 25. If Laine was to accept a 8.5 mill deal at 8 yrs from WPG, it'll expire when he's 29. No One will give big extension to a 29 nowadays. If he averages 40 goals for the next 4 yrs, he'll easily get
10 mill × 7yrs in his next contract and will expire when he's 32-33 yrs old.


You’re talking in circles. He won’t accept that 5 yr deal because he’ll wants 7 years but I can give him 4. Makes sense.....
Aug. 28, 2019 at 10:43 p.m.
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You’re talking in circles. He won’t accept that 5 yr deal because he’ll wants 7 years but I can give him 4. Makes sense.....


It's your opinion. I say he takes a 4 yr deal and then takes a 7 yr deal when he's 25. My opinion
Aug. 28, 2019 at 11:43 p.m.
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It's your opinion. I say he takes a 4 yr deal and then takes a 7 yr deal when he's 25. My opinion


And that’s fine but 4 years vs 5 years isn’t that much of a difference. My original point was 5 years on the offersheet so WPG gets the best of everything, they get the extra 1st and Petry plus “keep” Laine for the price of a 2nd and 3rd. Laine would still hit UFA pretty early.
Aug. 29, 2019 at 10:20 a.m.
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And that’s fine but 4 years vs 5 years isn’t that much of a difference. My original point was 5 years on the offersheet so WPG gets the best of everything, they get the extra 1st and Petry plus “keep” Laine for the price of a 2nd and 3rd. Laine would still hit UFA pretty early.


And I'm saying he probably wouldn't want to hit UFA status at 29-30, considering the league is giving bigger money to younger players. If he gets plagued with injuries in his late 20s, teams will be hesitant to sign him as a UFA. So that's why IMO he'd probably choose the longer and safer term that expires when he's 32-33.
Your scenario would definetly be amazing for WPG, and pretty laughable and embarrassing for MTL. But it probably wouldn't happen if I had to weigh the safer options for him.
Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:56 a.m.
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And I'm saying he probably wouldn't want to hit UFA status at 29-30, considering the league is giving bigger money to younger players. If he gets plagued with injuries in his late 20s, teams will be hesitant to sign him as a UFA. So that's why IMO he'd probably choose the longer and safer term that expires when he's 32-33.
Your scenario would definetly be amazing for WPG, and pretty laughable and embarrassing for MTL. But it probably wouldn't happen if I had to weigh the safer options for him.


IF HE SIGNS AN OFFERSHEET FOR 5 YEARS HE WILL BE 26! Just like if he signs your offer he will be 25. There’s not really a difference here but yet you keep talking about being 29-30 for some reason.
Aug. 29, 2019 at 1:38 p.m.
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IF HE SIGNS AN OFFERSHEET FOR 5 YEARS HE WILL BE 26! Just like if he signs your offer he will be 25. There’s not really a difference here but yet you keep talking about being 29-30 for some reason.


This entire time you're talking about WPG offersheeting Laine immidiately after the trade!? That scenario is so beyond s***pid, I didn't think anyone would actually throw it out there.

The entire time I thought you meant that WPG will offersheet Laine 5 yrs when his 4 yr term with MTL is up cause he'll still be a RFA at 25.

What a waste of time.

WPG can't afford to give Petry 5.5, Laine 8.5, Connor probably will want the same.
Aug. 29, 2019 at 1:47 p.m.
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This entire time you're talking about WPG offersheeting Laine immidiately after the trade!? That scenario is so beyond s***pid, I didn't think anyone would actually throw it out there.

The entire time I thought you meant that WPG will offersheet Laine 5 yrs when his 4 yr term with MTL is up cause he'll still be a RFA at 25.

What a waste of time.

WPG can't afford to give Petry 5.5, Laine 8.5, Connor probably will want the same.


It’s about as plausible as the scenario you set out but it’s stupid too.
 
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