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marner bridge

Created by: paulmull
Initial Creation Date: Aug 24, 2019
Published: Aug 28, 2019 at 7:11
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
bridging marner 9x3 seen many agree on here this is fair

move nylander over to left wing as he played there in world championship and had a great tornament
bracco on rw were matthews gets what he wants more puck moving passers what he requires

3rd line strong both offensively and def

not sure wether ilya gonna transition to nhl so put him on 4th just in case

over paying deangelo to sign him as only reilly signed longer than this year for def

ceci for eaves straight up, ducks need r-def and eaves is ment to be out for the season
honka is type player toronto usually goes for a skilled puck moving defenseman
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell3$9,000,000
Deangelo, Anthony3$4,000,000
Honka, Julius1$800,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Deangelo, Anthony$4,000,000
2020 2nd round pick
Trades
TOR
  1. Eaves, Patrick
ANA
  1. Ceci, Cody
TOR
  1. Honka, Julius [RFA Rights]
DAL
  1. Petan, Nicolas
  2. 2020 4th round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
CBJ
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,702,199$0$82,500-$202,199

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$9,000,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Bracco, Jeremy
$842,500
RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
Deangelo, Anthony
$4,000,000
RD
RFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
Honka, Julius
$800,000
RD
RFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Åberg, Pontus
$700,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Wilson, Garrett
$725,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
ANA
Eaves, Patrick
$3,150,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Matthews, A.
Tavares, J.
Marner, M.
Rielly, M.
Nylander, W.
Power Play 2
Johnsson, A.
Kerfoot, A.
Bracco, J.
Muzzin, J.
Barrie, T.
Penalty Kill 1
Hyman, Z.
Kapanen, K.
Dermott, T.
Honka, J.
Penalty Kill 2
Mikheyev, I.
Moore, T.
Muzzin, J.
Deangelo, A.

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Aug 28, 2019 at 7:15
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That OS makes me uncomfortable.
Aug 28, 2019 at 7:16
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Tom Wilson of ACGM
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Marner isn't looking for what's fair he's looking for what's best for him. I heard he wants the biggest bridge deal ever 10x3. I agree what you posted is fair and reasonable. Unless it is too late I don't think Marner will go for that. Dubas kind of made himself vulnerable when he gave Nylander PRETTY MUCH what he wanted then gave Matthews 11.6M x 5 years. I think one of these two things will happen: Marner will get the contract he wants or he his rights will be traded.
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Aug 28, 2019 at 7:48
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get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Bf3351
Marner isn't looking for what's fair he's looking for what's best for him. I heard he wants the biggest bridge deal ever 10x3. I agree what you posted is fair and reasonable. Unless it is too late I don't think Marner will go for that. Dubas kind of made himself vulnerable when he gave Nylander PRETTY MUCH what he wanted then gave Matthews 11.6M x 5 years. I think one of these two things will happen: Marner will get the contract he wants or he his rights will be traded.


Nylander wanted 8.5m and got 6.9m. Marner had 3 years to prove he could be the best 5v5 scoring centre in the league but he didn’t.

Marner has 2 options:

sign a fair deal, 9m x 3 years is stupid. Aho signed 8.5m x 5yrs. Why would he get double the last highest bridge deal ever?

Play overseas for peanuts

Dubas has two options:

Sign marner

Trade marner
Aug 28, 2019 at 7:51
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Tom Wilson of ACGM
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Nylander wanted 8.5m and got 6.9m. Marner had 3 years to prove he could be the best 5v5 scoring centre in the league but he didn’t.

Marner has 2 options:

sign a fair deal, 9m x 3 years is stupid. Aho signed 8.5m x 5yrs. Why would he get double the last highest bridge deal ever?

Play overseas for peanuts

Dubas has two options:

Sign marner

Trade marner


I pretty much just said that.
Aug 28, 2019 at 9:05
#5
get off my lawn...
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Quoting: Bf3351
I pretty much just said that.


Well from what I read it sounded like you were blaming dubas for overpaying nylander and Matthews. I think they are on the best deals we could get. He held firm on nylander and Matthews... well Dubas certainly has no leverage there. He would have got an offersheet for sure.

Marner will get the contract he wants? Nope, he will get what’s negotiated. Much like when nylander held out the leafs have plenty of talent up front. Marner has very little (NO) leverage. Dubas will probably wait for other RFA’s to sign deals then let marner fall into place.
Aug 28, 2019 at 9:08
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Quoting: Bf3351
I pretty much just said that.


If I'm in Marner's shoes, I'm going for a 4 or 5 year deal to get to UFA status and that should be around $9.5M to $10M per year fair value.

What is frustrating in these AGM's is saying points dictates contracts and therefore the logic is easy. The most recent comparison is Aho. Aho is not Marner and please let's all stop with all that matters is points or whether the player is a center or wing while saying "fair" is purely on logic. The reality is, "fair" in any support isn't purely logic it's highly subjective. Furthermore, scoring points on one team is a controlled comparison to scoring on another team. You have different players around you, are in a different system, play different teams, age, miles on the skates, individual player development, etc.

The logic for points equates to a "fair" contract can support some of the evaluation of a fair contract and should but that doesn't mean it's black and white. Marner is one of the smartest hockey players in the NHL and sees the ice better then 99% of players. How do you measure that against Aho's contract? How important is Marner to Toronto as a cash rich team versus Aho to Carolina as a cash poor team? Historically what kind of deals has Toronto dished out recently? All this comes into play. Points and age while concrete, are only part of the equation, so anyone saying he should be paid just like Aho simply doesn't get the overall picture of negotiations.

Take Mathews...did he earn that contract when he signed it a year ago based on points and age and comparables? Just compare McDavid to Matthews dollar for dollar. I'd argue Matthews was definitely overpaid so damn right Marner is going for big dollars. The intangibles mean something.
Aug 28, 2019 at 9:12
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Well from what I read it sounded like you were blaming dubas for overpaying nylander and Matthews. I think they are on the best deals we could get. He held firm on nylander and Matthews... well Dubas certainly has no leverage there. He would have got an offersheet for sure.

Marner will get the contract he wants? Nope, he will get what’s negotiated. Much like when nylander held out the leafs have plenty of talent up front. Marner has very little (NO) leverage. Dubas will probably wait for other RFA’s to sign deals then let marner fall into place.


Dubas should wait for other FA's deals to fall in place, but Marner does have options. His agent can pick up the phone and start calling teams and say Marner will sign a $10.5M or even $9.5M offer sheet on a 5 year deal, that's how they force the Leafs hands to match it because I don't see $9M getting a deal done.
Aug 28, 2019 at 9:54
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Dubas should wait for other FA's deals to fall in place, but Marner does have options. His agent can pick up the phone and start calling teams and say Marner will sign a $10.5M or even $9.5M offer sheet on a 5 year deal, that's how they force the Leafs hands to match it because I don't see $9M getting a deal done.


I was kinda with ya til the part where Feris phones other teams and tells them Marner would sign a 9.5 or 10.5M/5yr OS. You're right, it would force the leafs to match, and they would.

Every team surely knows this after the Clarkson trade and the cap space the leafs have allocated with their LTIR allowance. So, why would a team even bother to issue an OS that's doomed to be matched? To help Marner?? To pester the leafs?? There seems to be little to no benefit for the phantom OS team in this scenario.

If Marner actually had that kind of leverage I'm sure it woulda happened already. I agree with Po in that Marner has very little leverage. Its bully tactics at this point. The leafs can wait for the other rfas to set the market. Or Marner can play in Europe for less than his last contract. That'll teach the leafs to disrespect the Richy Mitch.
Aug 28, 2019 at 11:05
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
I was kinda with ya til the part where Feris phones other teams and tells them Marner would sign a 9.5 or 10.5M/5yr OS. You're right, it would force the leafs to match, and they would.

Every team surely knows this after the Clarkson trade and the cap space the leafs have allocated with their LTIR allowance. So, why would a team even bother to issue an OS that's doomed to be matched? To help Marner?? To pester the leafs?? There seems to be little to no benefit for the phantom OS team in this scenario.

If Marner actually had that kind of leverage I'm sure it woulda happened already. I agree with Po in that Marner has very little leverage. Its bully tactics at this point. The leafs can wait for the other rfas to set the market. Or Marner can play in Europe for less than his last contract. That'll teach the leafs to disrespect the Richy Mitch.


If it gets to the point of the Leafs only offering say a $7.5M for 3 years or $9.5M for 7 or 8 like Po says, I'm willing to bet they reach out to other teams and get a offer sheet. Let's say MTL...do you think they care if they piss off the Leafs or furthermore if they force the Leafs into a max deal to strap their cap?
Aug 29, 2019 at 7:34
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Quoting: ChiHawk
If it gets to the point of the Leafs only offering say a $7.5M for 3 years or $9.5M for 7 or 8 like Po says, I'm willing to bet they reach out to other teams and get a offer sheet. Let's say MTL...do you think they care if they piss off the Leafs or furthermore if they force the Leafs into a max deal to strap their cap?


I don't really disagree with you. I just don't see what benefit the phantom OS team gets out of it. Maybe it would make them smile to see the leafs squirm when they need to match . But I imagine they'd have more pressing business to take care of related to their own in-house needs.
 
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