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Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
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Anyone wanna play the player point prediction game ?

Matthews=92
Marner=88
J.T.=84
Nylander=75
Rielly=68
Barrie=51
Johnsson=48
Kerfoot=48
Kappy=45
Mikeyev=43
Muzzin=38
Spezza=32
Moore=28
Hyman=26
Dermott=22
Aberg=18
Ceci=18
Goat=14
Schmaltz=11
Timashov=10
Shore=9
Petan=8
Lilly=8
Agostino=6
Wilson=5
Marincin=4
Holl=3
Harpur=3

No Sandin, though he could easily make the team at mid season, but I don't see the Leafs burning an ELC year on him playing less than 20 games as a 5-7 Dman.

Andersen=37 wins
Hutch=8
Nievirth=3
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Aug. 29, 2019 at 9:59 p.m.
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Agostino will have more points, as will Muzzin playing top pairing minutes with Barrie.
Aug. 29, 2019 at 10:02 p.m.
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Quoting: HtotheBtotheM
Agostino will have more points, as will Muzzin playing top pairing minutes with Barrie.


Agostino and Aberg can be switched, depends on who wins the 4th line battle. I have Aberg at 18 points, so in your mind, flip their numbers. Muzzin is not known as a point producer and I have him penciled with Ceci, potential shutdown pair ?
Aug. 29, 2019 at 10:08 p.m.
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Truly hope your Mikheyev prediction is wrong, think how that played out for VGK and Gusev.

Moore next to Matthews - Nylander, which will make him 30+ pointer and a "steal" at 775k, ditch Mikheyev to AHL with 925k ( every buck will matter dependent of Marner contract ), sign him to 2 x League minimum next year and start to roll the kid....
Aug. 29, 2019 at 10:14 p.m.
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Truly hope your Mikheyev prediction is wrong, think how that played out for VGK and Gusev.

Moore next to Matthews - Nylander, which will make him 30+ pointer and a "steal" at 775k, ditch Mikheyev to AHL with 925k ( every buck will matter dependent of Marner contract ), sign him to 2 x League minimum next year and start to roll the kid....


I have disagreed with you a few times but “hope you’re wrong on mikheyev” has to be the worst take ever. I hope he gets 85 goals and 199 points.
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Aug. 29, 2019 at 10:18 p.m.
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I have disagreed with you a few times but “hope you’re wrong on mikheyev” has to be the worst take ever. I hope he gets 85 goals and 199 points.


I hope everyone on the leafs plays really bad so that we have cap space. If they look good, let's send them to the Minors and put a worse player in his spot.
I so hope SANDIN and Liligren are busts!
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Aug. 29, 2019 at 10:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Laudan
Truly hope your Mikheyev prediction is wrong, think how that played out for VGK and Gusev.

Moore next to Matthews - Nylander, which will make him 30+ pointer and a "steal" at 775k, ditch Mikheyev to AHL with 925k ( every buck will matter dependent of Marner contract ), sign him to 2 x League minimum next year and start to roll the kid....


Sick take! I hope all of the players play bad to!
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Aug. 29, 2019 at 10:44 p.m.
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No way Nylander nets 75.
Aug. 29, 2019 at 10:50 p.m.
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I have disagreed with you a few times but “hope you’re wrong on mikheyev” has to be the worst take ever. I hope he gets 85 goals and 199 points.


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Sick take! I hope all of the players play bad to!


Well.....lets go from the start

Have we seen Mikheyev play already ? will he adjust to small rink in a second and hes another prodigy just cause TML brought him in ?

As said...box of Oreos on LW with Matthews-Nylander will be 30+ points, so why lose the kid next year cause you cant pay him 1M+ while there will be 13-15M only at disposal for 3 Ds to be signed. If he will be playing with them and actually mass those 40+, you can wave him goodbye and why would you. Moore can get those 40 Points at 775k and Mikheyev can get his chance in 2020/2021. How much worse of a player is Moore compared to Mikheyev? Height ? Kid is grinder, he can compensate it. And after two seasons at 40 Points he will be another expendable asking for more money and thats where Mikheyev at 775k can jump in. Unfortunatelly thats TML future......50M for 7 Forwards and Rielly plus Andersen are coming for more on top of whole D rehaul next year.

Sorry but sometimes you guys are acting completely ignorant from strategical point of view. Times when TML didnt have to worry about $$ are over, kids are cropping premium contracts, 50M are bounded in 7 Forwards, so the rest of spots will need to be 775k kids that wont ask for a rise at least year or two.

Brown was 2M and he was doing 28 Points in 4th line without leetching on Matthews, but he had to go, same fate is proly going for Hyman unless you will want to play Schmaltz, Marincin and Harpur on 2nd Pair.
Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:08 p.m.
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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
Agostino and Aberg can be switched, depends on who wins the 4th line battle. I have Aberg at 18 points, so in your mind, flip their numbers. Muzzin is not known as a point producer and I have him penciled with Ceci, potential shutdown pair ?


I don't particularly care what Muzzin is "known for", as what he has actually done is be tied for 28th in points for a defenseman over the last 4 years. http://hkref.com/tiny/ZxOBy put another way there are 3 teams in the league where he would be the highest scoring defenseman.

Over the last 5 years he has scored 41, 40, 28, 42, and 37 points. Your prediction is quite off from this
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Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:08 p.m.
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Well.....lets go from the start

Have we seen Mikheyev play already ? will he adjust to small rink in a second and hes another prodigy just cause TML brought him in ?

As said...box of Oreos on LW with Matthews-Nylander will be 30+ points, so why lose the kid next year cause you cant pay him 1M+ while there will be 13-15M only at disposal for 3 Ds to be signed. If he will be playing with them and actually mass those 40+, you can wave him goodbye and why would you. Moore can get those 40 Points at 775k and Mikheyev can get his chance in 2020/2021. How much worse of a player is Moore compared to Mikheyev? Height ? Kid is grinder, he can compensate it. And after two seasons at 40 Points he will be another expendable asking for more money and thats where Mikheyev at 775k can jump in. Unfortunatelly thats TML future......50M for 7 Forwards and Rielly plus Andersen are coming for more on top of whole D rehaul next year.

Sorry but sometimes you guys are acting completely ignorant from strategical point of view. Times when TML didnt have to worry about $$ are over, kids are cropping premium contracts, 50M are bounded in 7 Forwards, so the rest of spots will need to be 775k kids that wont ask for a rise at least year or two.

Brown was 2M and he was doing 28 Points in 4th line without leetching on Matthews, but he had to go, same fate is proly going for Hyman unless you will want to play Schmaltz, Marincin and Harpur on 2nd Pair.


Again... horrible take. I would rather lose a 50 point guy than keep a 20 point guy. Mikheyev will go right back to the khl. He was brought over to play for the leafs not the marlies. If he works out great and we can’t afford him trade for cap space or trade him away. Either way we got him for nothing. No sense in. Giving him the ozhiganov.
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Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Laudan
Well.....lets go from the start

Have we seen Mikheyev play already ? will he adjust to small rink in a second and hes another prodigy just cause TML brought him in ?

As said...box of Oreos on LW with Matthews-Nylander will be 30+ points, so why lose the kid next year cause you cant pay him 1M+ while there will be 13-15M only at disposal for 3 Ds to be signed. If he will be playing with them and actually mass those 40+, you can wave him goodbye and why would you. Moore can get those 40 Points at 775k and Mikheyev can get his chance in 2020/2021. How much worse of a player is Moore compared to Mikheyev? Height ? Kid is grinder, he can compensate it. And after two seasons at 40 Points he will be another expendable asking for more money and thats where Mikheyev at 775k can jump in. Unfortunatelly thats TML future......50M for 7 Forwards and Rielly plus Andersen are coming for more on top of whole D rehaul next year.

Sorry but sometimes you guys are acting completely ignorant from strategical point of view. Times when TML didnt have to worry about $$ are over, kids are cropping premium contracts, 50M are bounded in 7 Forwards, so the rest of spots will need to be 775k kids that wont ask for a rise at least year or two.

Brown was 2M and he was doing 28 Points in 4th line without leetching on Matthews, but he had to go, same fate is proly going for Hyman unless you will want to play Schmaltz, Marincin and Harpur on 2nd Pair.


Or you let players excel because you focus on, you know, winning. And then you flip them as RFAs if you need to
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Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:11 p.m.
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I think you have Barrie low

I don't think hyman plays with Matthews. I think Johnson does
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Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:12 p.m.
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Right after Brown and Hyman signed their deals, I thought those were dollars not well spent. Now TML have to pay so much for great players, they are going with no middle ground. Clearly they can do without Hyman without any worries, as we all know is true if Brown as well. Hopefully they do move on from Hyman!
And hopefully Mikheyev turns out to be worth way more than the 925k this year, as he becomes part of an outstanding team. Isn't that the goal here? Not cap ease, but wins right?
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Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:15 p.m.
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I think you have Barrie low

I don't think hyman plays with Matthews. I think Johnson does


Let's effing hope that Johnsson gets that role not no hands Hyman! That is pretty simple.
Let's hope Dubas finds a trade for Hyman so Babcock can't have hom way too high in this stacked lineup
Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:20 p.m.
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Again... horrible take. I would rather lose a 50 point guy than keep a 20 point guy. Mikheyev will go right back to the khl. He was brought over to play for the leafs not the marlies. If he works out great and we can’t afford him trade for cap space or trade him away. Either way we got him for nothing. No sense in. Giving him the ozhiganov.


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Or you let players excel because you focus on, you know, winning. And then you flip them as RFAs if you need to


So instead of benefit from his skills ( still phantomic tho ) for few years you will give him opportunity to leetch on good players for one year ( which with D that we have again still isnt the Cup Season ) ask for money you cant give him and then leave him to prosper in some other Team....damn i dont get that logic....

Again, i dare to bet Moore can do as much as Mihkeyev and hes already signed for 2020/2021 also, so after two Seasons with Matthews-Nylander he will be two season 40 pointer and a valuable asset in trade.
Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:24 p.m.
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I don't particularly care what Muzzin is "known for", as what he has actually done is be tied for 28th in points for a defenseman over the last 4 years. http://hkref.com/tiny/ZxOBy put another way there are 3 teams in the league where he would be the highest scoring defenseman.

Over the last 5 years he has scored 41, 40, 28, 42, and 37 points. Your prediction is quite off from this


Ok edit by adding 10 more points.
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Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:25 p.m.
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Well.....lets go from the start

Have we seen Mikheyev play already ? will he adjust to small rink in a second and hes another prodigy just cause TML brought him in ?

As said...box of Oreos on LW with Matthews-Nylander will be 30+ points, so why lose the kid next year cause you cant pay him 1M+ while there will be 13-15M only at disposal for 3 Ds to be signed. If he will be playing with them and actually mass those 40+, you can wave him goodbye and why would you. Moore can get those 40 Points at 775k and Mikheyev can get his chance in 2020/2021. How much worse of a player is Moore compared to Mikheyev? Height ? Kid is grinder, he can compensate it. And after two seasons at 40 Points he will be another expendable asking for more money and thats where Mikheyev at 775k can jump in. Unfortunatelly thats TML future......50M for 7 Forwards and Rielly plus Andersen are coming for more on top of whole D rehaul next year.

Sorry but sometimes you guys are acting completely ignorant from strategical point of view. Times when TML didnt have to worry about $$ are over, kids are cropping premium contracts, 50M are bounded in 7 Forwards, so the rest of spots will need to be 775k kids that wont ask for a rise at least year or two.

Brown was 2M and he was doing 28 Points in 4th line without leetching on Matthews, but he had to go, same fate is proly going for Hyman unless you will want to play Schmaltz, Marincin and Harpur on 2nd Pair.


Then when MIKELEV is to good to be paid, we trade him for a good RHD or a cheaper replacement. You have had some really bad takes (dubas is worse than chirreli because he slightly overpaid an above franchise player, EDM would never trade for Connor Brown even though a deal almost happened) but this is easily the worst. You want the leafs to do worse because you don't want to pay someone. You sound like Melnyk. Your new name is Eugene.
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Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Laudan
Well.....lets go from the start

Have we seen Mikheyev play already ? will he adjust to small rink in a second and hes another prodigy just cause TML brought him in ?

As said...box of Oreos on LW with Matthews-Nylander will be 30+ points, so why lose the kid next year cause you cant pay him 1M+ while there will be 13-15M only at disposal for 3 Ds to be signed. If he will be playing with them and actually mass those 40+, you can wave him goodbye and why would you. Moore can get those 40 Points at 775k and Mikheyev can get his chance in 2020/2021. How much worse of a player is Moore compared to Mikheyev? Height ? Kid is grinder, he can compensate it. And after two seasons at 40 Points he will be another expendable asking for more money and thats where Mikheyev at 775k can jump in. Unfortunatelly thats TML future......50M for 7 Forwards and Rielly plus Andersen are coming for more on top of whole D rehaul next year.

Sorry but sometimes you guys are acting completely ignorant from strategical point of view. Times when TML didnt have to worry about $$ are over, kids are cropping premium contracts, 50M are bounded in 7 Forwards, so the rest of spots will need to be 775k kids that wont ask for a rise at least year or two.

Brown was 2M and he was doing 28 Points in 4th line without leetching on Matthews, but he had to go, same fate is proly going for Hyman unless you will want to play Schmaltz, Marincin and Harpur on 2nd Pair.


Also: Moore is good but saying he can get 40 points? Please.
Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:29 p.m.
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No way Nylander nets 75.


Yes way. He has gotten 62 points he can definitely get 75. Maybe a little high. Probably 70 on the high side
Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:30 p.m.
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Also: Moore is good but saying he can get 40 points? Please.


You arent reading what im trying to point out. Its ok.
Aug. 29, 2019 at 11:31 p.m.
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You arent reading what im trying to point out. Its ok.


You have the worst take I have ever seen. It's okay
Aug. 30, 2019 at 12:16 a.m.
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You arent reading what im trying to point out. Its ok.


I absolutely get your argument. One player I can think of immediately is Sheary, who was also undrafted. In the final year of his ELC he was close to a point per game playing on Crosby’s wing. Pens signed him to a bridge contract for 3m after that and the first year of his bridge contract he ended up playing with Sidney a lot less and as a result his point totals diminished. He ended up being an incentive in a trade for Buffalo to take Hunwick.Not saying that was what happened with Sheary, but just an example.

If word spread, and it would, about how an organization purposely thwarted young players to save cap no one would ever sign with the team in good faith again. I believe Babcock, or someone, has said he will be playing with Matthews and I’m sure that was a huge part of the pitch for him signing with the Leafs. To go back on your word would be a really bad look for the Leafs.

Edit: I tried to look for Babcock saying it but I must’ve imagined it. Either way, he will get a taste of playing with Tavares or Matthews while Hyman is on IR.
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I absolutely get your argument. One player I can think of immediately is Sheary, who was also undrafted. In the final year of his ELC he was close to a point per game playing on Crosby’s wing. Pens signed him to a bridge contract for 3m after that and the first year of his bridge contract he ended up playing with Sidney a lot less and as a result his point totals diminished. He ended up being an incentive in a trade for Buffalo to take Hunwick.Not saying that was what happened with Sheary, but just an example.

If word spread, and it would, about how an organization purposely thwarted young players to save cap no one would ever sign with the team in good faith again. I believe Babcock, or someone, has said he will be playing with Matthews and I’m sure that was a huge part of the pitch for him signing with the Leafs. To go back on your word would be a really bad look for the Leafs.


Finally someone....

As for the last paragraph, TML arent really building reputation for being trusted to those Europeans.....word is proly already spread

Rosen.....gone......Borgman......gone......Ozhiganov.......gone.....Lindholm......gone......Zaitsev.....crusified
Aug. 30, 2019 at 1:07 a.m.
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Quoting: Laudan
Finally someone....

As for the last paragraph, TML arent really building reputation for being trusted to those Europeans.....word is proly already spread

Rosen.....gone......Borgman......gone......Ozhiganov.......gone.....Zaitsev......gone.......Lindholm......gone......


Some of the newly departed are still in the NHL so they won’t say anything disparaging just yet, but the interviews I’ve read from Oz and Zaitsev don’t speak ill of the organizations at all, but more on the atmosphere and cultural differences of being a Leaf and NHLer. Oz I believe spoke rather highly of Babcock. I haven’t heard anything from Lindholm yet. It’s hard to say what anyone was promised for each situation, so who knows? What I do know is that undrafted Europeans continue to sign in Toronto.

Trading a player vs sheltering their minutes on purpose to lower their cap hit is completely different in my opinion. I’d be completely fine with him on the third line but if he’s netting goals while being defensively responsible on Matthews or Tavares’s wing, I’d hate for him or anyone to be shafted for the sake of the cap hit. It’s just slimy af.
Aug. 30, 2019 at 1:17 a.m.
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Some of the newly departed are still in the NHL so they won’t say anything disparaging just yet, but the interviews I’ve read from Oz and Zaitsev don’t speak ill of the organizations at all, but more on the atmosphere and cultural differences of being a Leaf and NHLer. Oz I believe spoke rather highly of Babcock. I haven’t heard anything from Lindholm yet. It’s hard to say what anyone was promised for each situation, so who knows? What I do know is that undrafted Europeans continue to sign in Toronto.

Trading a player vs sheltering their minutes on purpose to lower their cap hit is completely different in my opinion. I’d be completely fine with him on the third line but if he’s netting goals while being defensively responsible on Matthews or Tavares’s wing, I’d hate for him or anyone to be shafted for the sake of the cap hit. It’s just slimy af.


To be honest im not really worried about kid, cause i think he wont make it thru Camp

Wilson, Shore, Gaudet, Engvall, Marchment and Korshkov as type of players hes proming to be and Agostino, Spezza, Åberg were all required with the upside of pulling Ennis this year, all with NHL and AHL expirience already, long way for him to go.

But as i said.....moneyballing is knocking on TML doors big time after those Premium contracts and its not everybodys cup of tea. Ppl are still comforting themselves its about slight overpayment......
 
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