As a Leafs fan I would say that you should not take serious anybody talk about Leafs being cup contender. They are not there yet. There is much of development left for Leafs to be put into that conversation. Thats just my opinion so I dont think Leafs are overrated.

Are you saying the Bruins will miss the playoffs? They're a common pick to be a WC team. I think they're being underrated.

The whole point is overrated teams. Most people are going to disagree.

No they are a playoff team. I just don’t think they are as good as people think they are and their window is closing fast.

and more importantly look at his numbers in the playoffs, he is a goalie good enough to win with, and now with the avs improved depth, they will be a much harder team to play against bc they are much better defensively as a group. OUT Kerfoot, Soderberg, Andrighetto, Bourque.... IN Kadri, Bura, Donskoi, Bellemare.

Makar is already better defensively than Barrie, thats why the hype is there. better improved depth and did not sacrifice their top end offensive bunch

My point is his rationale why he thinks they are over rated, its just nonsensical to be honest. You can feel that they are over rated, thats fine, the hype train is real for them, but the points are just very weak to inaccurate

What if it's Hitler

Take that back right now libtard

Edit: this was suppose to be a quoted reply and it didn’t pop up so now I feel like the libtard

Lots of people think they're a WC team.

I can completely understand your thinking to all of these. I actually agree all 5 teams are overrated, but they aren't the most overrated imo. Teams like Calgary should be on here because they have no goaltending, teams like Carolina maybe for the same reason. I like the list though and completely understand the logic to it

I also think the Avs are overrated. I am iffy on Grub, but he is good enough to get the job done. I think it's more important to look at their additions and subtractions.

Kadri is an upgrade on Soderberg, but they are close enough to evening out. Soderberg put up 49 points last season.
Kerfoot is better than Burakovsky.
Barrie is a HUGE loss to their inexperienced D. Makar should be solid tho.
Their goalie tandem is weakened by losing Varlamov.
Donskoi is an okay upgrade from Brassard. They will also have him for the entire season. But I don't think he played very well last season. See how he does as a middle six for the Avs.
Connauton and Nemeth cancel.
Bellemare is a good 4th liner.

Looking at it like this, did they really get that much better like its been speculated? I think they can make the playoffs again but maybe a little high on the hype.

L, vegas is amazing

We have defensemen over the age of 5 tho

The B’s are a very scary team. No fan from another team ever wants to play them

I don’t i like the Avs tbh. They’re a very likebale team. I j don’t think they’re as scary as people think.

Kerfoot isn't a massive upgrade, he's still the better player but hes stats are padded from playing wing with MacKinnon. He got something like 10 or 12 points in the last 18 games. Hes a decent player but away from the big 3 he was pretty mediocre offensively, especially in the playoffs. If Kerfoot can pad his stats with Mack, its not out of the question to think that Bura will being on Macks or even Kadris wing, both massive upgrades over I think Eller who was his most common C all last year.

Brassard was a lost cause last year, he was barely able to stay a float and giving 4th line impact....he needs to bounce back this year or else hes going to be in the KHL. , Donskoi is leaps and bounds better than Brassard was last year.

Inexperience D? Makar is the only one that will be a rookie next year and we all saw what he was able to do in the playoffs with Girard, they were electric and leaned on heavily. So hes not going to know what to do now in the Regular season? I dont get this point, they are now inexperienced bc they added Makar over Barrie? Girard, Zads, Johnson, Connauton, and Cole once he is back....its just Makar who has limited experience.

what a dumb counterpoint. Makar is the only Rookie...Girard has played as many or more NHL games than basically half your D Core? And Avs are inexperienced?

They are, doesn’t mean there bad, they have 4 future cornerstones on defense, that’s nothing to get defensive about. But right now yes they are inexperienced. (Besides Johnson and I guessed Cole but he’s injured)

Zadorov has 292 NHL games, Connauton 310 NHL games, Barberio 251 NHL games, if you think the Avs are inexperienced, Islanders D is very inexperienced despite having an high average age
Sorry this point is only made up in your mind bc you see Makar and Girard age and overlooking how many games Girard has played in the NHL already. thats what happens when you break in as a 18 year old and show you belong playing at high level out of the gate

Lol ok Barberio and Conn stank. Girard is very good I’m not denying that. I j don’t think the Avs r great this year, they still have one of the brightest futures.

now you are changing your narrative, first it was they arent very experienced, however listing their 6th and 7th Dman having lots of exrpeince, well beyond half of your own teams D Core. Sorry but it was just a incorrect take by you.

If you dont like the D core thats one thing, but to try to beat around the bush by saying you dont like it bc it lacks experience, thats just factually wrong

Sounds like someone needs a hug

So no counterpoint....is that Bc you realized that your false narrative was lazy and incorrect? Im sure you could use a hug after coming to that realization.
You dont have to like their D core, I dont care, your opinion is irrelevant judging the Avs, but dont just make up things without any substance

I will give you that I was wrong to say inexperienced D.

I never said losing Kerfoot was a massive downgrade*. Just that he is better. Only 7 of his 42 points last season are tied to Mack. So idk how Mack padded his stats?? I’m actually a big fan of Burakovsky. If he plays with Mack he will produce a lot.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kerfoal01/scoring/2019

Brassard was at a loss last year. That’s why I gave Donskoi the upgrade vote. But IMO Donskoi did not look very good last year. Depending on who he plays with, it can be hit or miss.

I mean overall their additions and subtractions are pretty close. And with that, I think their hype is too much. They will make playoffs, but too much hype.

Playing on the top line, look at what he did to end the season when he was on the top line. Not mack individually padding his stat but he slide into Mikkos spot for the last 14 games or so. He was a ghost offensively before Bednar mixed up the lines. Thats why him as a 3C on the leafs might be underwhelming, he does his best work as a Wing in the top 6.

Donskoi was a pest all series against the Avs, when Kerfoot disappeared in that series, the writing was the wall and probably why Avs wanted Donskoi so much.

I dont think they are as exciting as a team compared to last year but they will be a much harder team to play against. Thats why I think the hype is so real. Having Landeskog, Kadri, Donskoi/Compher as your close out shut down line to end games. SO much faith in that vs Landeskog, Soderberg Calvert who was the avs best option for that role last year?