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Since we are doing the Marner Keller comparison

Created by: feds91stammer
Initial Creation Date: Sep 4, 2019
Published: Sep 4, 2019 at 3:34 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Keller first 2 seasons (age 19 and 20) - 164 games and 112 points.

Marner first 2 seasons (age 19 and 20) - 159 games and 130 points.

Keller: 0.68 points per game
Marner: 0.82 points per game

Marner produce approx. 20.5% more

Using that percentage Keller's 7.15m would be 8.615m for Marner.

Obviously this is a far from perfect calculation but it is interesting.

Edit: as pointed out by Bcarlo25 add in a tax adjustment. I would say 500k-1m and Marner is looking at $9.1-9.6M which seems very fair.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell8$8,615,000
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
28$81,500,000$93,012,199$0$0-$11,512,199
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, C
UFA - 5
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Agostino, Kenny
$737,500
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Wilson, Garrett
$725,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Åberg, Pontus
$700,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$8,615,000
RW
UFA - 6
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Schmaltz, Jordan
$700,000
RD
RFA - 1
TOR
Harpur, Ben
$725,000
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Sep 4, 2019 at 3:36
#1
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Indeed it is.
I wouldn't be shocked however if marner gets more than 9 million per year though
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:36
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Goes without saying, but on much worse teams. Interesting indeed.
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:37
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better comparision:

K is the 11th letter in the alphabet. M is the 13th letter in the alphabet. Numerically, M is 11.1% greater than K.

Therefore, Marner should sign 7.94 M * 7.
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Sep 4, 2019 at 3:39
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Quoting: mondo
better comparision:

K is the 11th letter in the alphabet. M is the 13th letter in the alphabet. Numerically, M is 11.1% greater than K.

Therefore, Marner should sign 7.94 M * 7.


Big if true
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:40
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marner could get 9, but most likely at 5 years
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:45
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then tack on another million for taxes.
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:46
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
then tack on another million for taxes.


True. That actually is probably a good number for Marner too.
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:50
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because marner's 3rd year of 94 points doesn't matter?
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:51
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Quoting: TheJonSnow
because marner's 3rd year of 94 points doesn't matter?


Yeah clearly that is what I said...
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:52
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Quoting: feds91stammer
True. That actually is probably a good number for Marner too.


then tack on a million because marner actually is in RFA, and has a 3rd season where he proved it big time. then take off three years because the leafs GM hands out that kind of term like candy apparently.
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:53
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
then tack on a million because marner actually is in RFA, and has a 3rd season where he proved it big time. then take off three years because the leafs GM hands out that kind of term like candy apparently.


So just give him the Matthews deal?
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:54
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Quoting: feds91stammer
So just give him the Matthews deal?


i think 10.5x5 is fair.
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Sep 4, 2019 at 3:56
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Nothing against Stepan or Galchenyuk, but imagine if Keller played with finishers like Tavares and Matthews. If Arizona adds more finishers like Kessel then that deal will be a steal.
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:58
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
i think 10.5x5 is fair.


Matthews is the best player to ever play hockey. 9/10 people would pick him over Mc David !!!!! Matthews is a god.

I agree.
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:59
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
then tack on a million because marner actually is in RFA, and has a 3rd season where he proved it big time. then take off three years because the leafs GM hands out that kind of term like candy apparently.


"Hands out that kind of term like candy" literally after just one time. Also the tax implication is completely nullified by TO's ability to pay upfront. Which contrary to popular belief is at the very least, as big of a benefit as tax free states.
Sep 4, 2019 at 3:59
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
i think 10.5x5 is fair.


Somewhere in that realm is definitely fair.
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Sep 4, 2019 at 4:01
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
"Hands out that kind of term like candy" literally after just one time. Also the tax implication is completely nullified by TO's ability to pay upfront. Which contrary to popular belief is at the very least, as big of a benefit as tax free states.


TOR isn't the only team paying high percentages of contracts in bonuses.
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:03
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
"Hands out that kind of term like candy" literally after just one time. Also the tax implication is completely nullified by TO's ability to pay upfront. Which contrary to popular belief is at the very least, as big of a benefit as tax free states.


we've gone back and forth on this. I rarely respond to you because you are flat out bonkers.

taxes aren't nullified by anything. There's a salary cap. everyone pays big money. everyone gives bonuses up front. everyone gives no trade clauses. everyone makes deals lockout protected. every market has bonuses available to their players.
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:05
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
we've gone back and forth on this. I rarely respond to you because you are flat out bonkers.

taxes aren't nullified by anything. There's a salary cap. everyone pays big money. everyone gives bonuses up front. everyone gives no trade clauses. everyone makes deals lockout protected. every market has bonuses available to their players.


haha just wait til people start diving into cost of living differences and whatnot
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:07
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Quoting: feds91stammer
haha just wait til people start diving into cost of living differences and whatnot


oh and the exchange rate because money goes a lot further in canada! except everything costs more. BUT THE EXCHANGE RATE!
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:08
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oh and the exchange rate because money goes a lot further in canada! except everything costs more. BUT THE EXCHANGE RATE!

I say its time we built that wall
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:11
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Quoting: feds91stammer
I say its time we built that wall


stop it.

honestly not even as a joke anymore.
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:12
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
stop it.

honestly not even as a joke anymore.


lmao soft
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:12
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Quoting: feds91stammer
TOR isn't the only team paying high percentages of contracts in bonuses.


This is true, but where TO is different is they can afford to do this with everyone. Johnsson and Kapanen both are getting a lot of bonus money. Apparently other GM's are getting annoyed with this because smaller market teams can't afford to do this. Some small market teams can't do this with their stars let a lone depth players.
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:13
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
This is true, but where TO is different is they can afford to do this with everyone. Johnsson and Kapanen both are getting a lot of bonus money. Apparently other GM's are getting annoyed with this because smaller market teams can't afford to do this. Some small market teams can't do this with their stars let a lone depth players.


that's not different.
 
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