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Seeing all these Leafs fans try and get Marner under 10M is cute

Created by: Howyoudrouinnn
Initial Creation Date: Sep 4, 2019
Published: Sep 4, 2019 at 4:23 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
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Term is the biggest issue i've been reading, but if Marner was willing to go under $10M he'd be signed already.

(Ignore cap and lines, just wanted to reference Marner)
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell5$10,750,000
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
25$81,500,000$84,997,199$0$0-$3,497,199
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,750,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Agostino, Kenny
$737,500
LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Wilson, Garrett
$725,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Åberg, Pontus
$700,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Schmaltz, Jordan
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Harpur, Ben
$725,000
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Sep 4, 2019 at 4:25
#1
The Enlightened One
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To argue that if he would sign for x the deal would already be done is to fundamentally lack any understanding of what a negotiation is. Stop with this nonsense.
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:25
#2
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Ok Paul
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Sep 4, 2019 at 4:32
#3
Leafs GM v4
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It's not surprising that you overrate marner when your fanbase overrates every young player that thinks about playing for the Canadians
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:36
#4
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Marner should have signed already like all the other big name RFAs...
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:43
#5
#DisruptTheNight
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Quoting: Jack_
It's not surprising that you overrate marner when your fanbase overrates every young player that thinks about playing for the Canadians


Isn’t Nylander the overrated one? Oh wait, that was last year.
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Sep 4, 2019 at 4:49
#6
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Quoting: Hedman77
Isn’t Nylander the overrated one? Oh wait, that was last year.


Nylander is on a steal of a contract ?
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Sep 4, 2019 at 4:52
#7
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Clayton Keller just signed for over 7 million so I think that would make Mitch worth about 11 million. If leafs fans think he is signing anything under 10 million for 5 or 6 years they are delusional. I have see post here saying he is worth only 7 million max. Clayton Keller at over 7 millions proves how stupid these people really are
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Sep 4, 2019 at 4:54
#8
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Quoting: Hedman77
Isn’t Nylander the overrated one? Oh wait, that was last year.


and I oop-
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55
#9
The Enlightened One
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Quoting: Hedman77
Isn’t Nylander the overrated one? Oh wait, that was last year.


I'm not sure anyone was arguing that he was overrated (and if anyone was they were/are wrong), just that he wasn't worth 8.5 AAV.
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55
#10
johnjohn
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Clayton Keller 47 points last year and a minus 21 lol. 7 + million a year. Now tell me again how Marner is worth less than 10 million
Sep 4, 2019 at 4:58
#11
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Quoting: Random2152
I'm not sure anyone was arguing that he was overrated (and if anyone was they were/are wrong), just that he wasn't worth 8.5 AAV.


Look at the post that I quoted
Sep 4, 2019 at 5:00
#12
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Quoting: Johnjohn
Clayton Keller just signed for over 7 million so I think that would make Mitch worth about 11 million. If leafs fans think he is signing anything under 10 million for 5 or 6 years they are delusional. I have see post here saying he is worth only 7 million max. Clayton Keller at over 7 millions proves how stupid these people really are


Not sure Keller will impact Marner as much as you think. If anything it gives Dubas some more ammo to ask for a longer term. Keller signed for 8 at over 7 million a year. If Marner wants over 10 million, he's going to have to give up more years than he's currently willing. If he wants a shorter term bridge, its going to have to be for a lot less than he's asking. My guess is the same as what I've been saying for most of the summer. 6-8 years and it'll be around 10+ million a year. Term is going to be the sticking point here.
Sep 4, 2019 at 5:03
#13
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This is the exact same narrative as last year with Willy, all the haters laughing and yipping about how Nylander won't settle for less than 9 per, he's gonna get offer sheeted yadyadyada.......... And none of it happened, Willy got 6.9 Mithchy will be under 10 and it'll happen just before training camp ends
Sep 4, 2019 at 5:05
#14
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Quoting: Johnjohn
Clayton Keller 47 points last year and a minus 21 lol. 7 + million a year. Now tell me again how Marner is worth less than 10 million


Keller played with Stepan, Marner played with Tavares so there's that
Sep 4, 2019 at 5:11
#15
The Enlightened One
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Quoting: Hedman77
Look at the post that I quoted


I don't pay attention to particular users unless they repeatedly do something egregious (and I happen to see it). Was that poster essentially saying that?
Sep 4, 2019 at 5:11
#16
johnjohn
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9.5 3 years 11 million 6 years. Everyone months ago was saying I was crazy . Worth 7 or 8 million max I was told.
Wait til it is done . He ain’t ever signing 8 years. Can’t do 5 . 3 or 6 or 7 . I think it’s 6 at 11 million myself but if leafs want a bridge 3 years 9.5 million
This is my opinion. Let’s all come back in a few weeks and see because he will be signing before the season starts
Sep 4, 2019 at 5:14
#17
#DisruptTheNight
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Quoting: Random2152
I don't pay attention to particular users unless they repeatedly do something egregious (and I happen to see it). Was that poster essentially saying that?


Yes. I mean you quoted my post, didn’t you read it?
Sep 4, 2019 at 6:01
#18
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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"Term is the biggest issue i've been reading, but if Marner was willing to go under $10M he'd be signed already". Let's just imagine the Leafs top offer has been 9.75m and no other has offered sheeted Marner or made a trade for him. Marner might be "forced" to sign with the Leafs for under 10m if he wants to play in the NHL this season.
Sep 4, 2019 at 6:34
#19
The Enlightened One
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Quoting: Hedman77
Yes. I mean you quoted my post, didn’t you read it?


I meant more in the past but sure.
Thanks for the response
Sep 4, 2019 at 8:15
#20
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Quoting: Johnjohn
Clayton Keller just signed for over 7 million so I think that would make Mitch worth about 11 million. If leafs fans think he is signing anything under 10 million for 5 or 6 years they are delusional. I have see post here saying he is worth only 7 million max. Clayton Keller at over 7 millions proves how stupid these people really are


Am I the only one remembering that the leafs have already offered Marner 11m x 8yrs ? which I think most leafs fans would be happy with.
Can we agree that everyone should stop saying " Leafs and their fans don't want to pay Marner what he is worth"
Making him the second highest paid winger is apparently the worst thing a team could offer.

If marner wants 5 years thats 9m. Still a top 10 paid winger in the league on a 5 year deal somehow upsets Marner's camp? well there are some people in the world you just can't please.
Sep 4, 2019 at 9:35
#21
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Lets just stop the Keller comparison. Keller's agent took them to the woodshed.
Marner isn't getting over 10.5. If he was he would have already signed that OS. But no one is going to give that so that's where that ends.
As far as the low end, I could be in the 9.5 range, but Toronto probably has to give up term to get there. As in 4 year deal. Give and take.
Sep 5, 2019 at 6:12
#22
johnjohn
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Quoting: pharrow
Lets just stop the Keller comparison. Keller's agent took them to the woodshed.
Marner isn't getting over 10.5. If he was he would have already signed that OS. But no one is going to give that so that's where that ends.
As far as the low end, I could be in the 9.5 range, but Toronto probably has to give up term to get there. As in 4 year deal. Give and take.


Marner nor the leafs want 4 years. It’s 3 or 6 or 7 years that’s it. 3 at 9.5 or 6 and 7 at 11 million. Very simple. He turned down 8 at 11 million. So now he sign for less lol. Ok leafs fans
Sep 5, 2019 at 1:40
#23
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Quoting: Johnjohn
Marner nor the leafs want 4 years. It’s 3 or 6 or 7 years that’s it. 3 at 9.5 or 6 and 7 at 11 million. Very simple. He turned down 8 at 11 million. So now he sign for less lol. Ok leafs fans


A I'm not a leaf fan, and B, he doesn't sign an 8 year deal because he wants to hit the market again in his prime not at 30. Please think about it before posting such nonsense.

Also to say he doesn't want a 4 year deal is straight garbage. A 4 year deal takes him directly to FA. That is the F----ing ideal term for him. OK trolls?
Sep 5, 2019 at 1:57
#24
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Sep 5, 2019 at 4:35
#25
johnjohn
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Quoting: pharrow
A I'm not a leaf fan, and B, he doesn't sign an 8 year deal because he wants to hit the market again in his prime not at 30. Please think about it before posting such nonsense.

Also to say he doesn't want a 4 year deal is straight garbage. A 4 year deal takes him directly to FA. That is the F----ing ideal term for him. OK trolls?
 
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