He'll sign before he missed his first pay check, NHL players get paid bi weekly too like most of us. So he'll miss the first week. 9ish million is what he'll get, what term is the last minute decision.

I mean, can't he still just say "pay me as much as Matthews" to the new team? I get the whole center vs winger thing, but I don't think changing teams will magically change Marner's demands.

Wrong! There are plenty of teams that would gladly pay the kid $9M for 3 years. The biggest leverage marner has is the Leafs are NOT as nearly as good without him.

Let me phrase this another way...who's the best winger on the Leafs with Marner out? Nylander? How'd that work out last year?

Dubas is a moron if he doesn't pay him $10.5M to $11M for 6-8 years or alternatively $9M to $9.5M for 3 or 4 years. Guys like Marner don't grow on trees. Matthews and Marner locked up for their entire careers as Leafs should be the team's goal.

So do you feel the same way for the other RFAs?

Marners camp has all the rights to demand Matthews money, they brought 19 Points more to the negotiation table. Damage is self-inflicted. Why would kid ( in that case his camp ) play fair and make any discounts when others didnt.

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Matthews 0,96 PPG
Marner 0,93 PPG

And pls dont give me C is more appreciated then W crap.

I don’t blame marner and his camp for what they’ve been doing- dubas brought this upon himself with how he handled Matthews and Nylander situations. Marner knows dubas doesn’t want this to continue into the season - he has more leverage than people think.

Yes, because at the end of the day the team lives forever and the players careers don't. The players have every right in the world to maximize their income for what ultimately is a short career. These higher end talents play for 10 to 15 years in the league and risk career ending injuries...in the grand scheme of things, while they make more then most people who work 40 year careers, it's a very short window to maximize their income. Keep in mind after agent fees, taxes, inflation over time, most NHL players aren't "set for life" living in mansions and driving the latest Ferrari and their careers can be cut short at any time in the blink of an eye.

Absolutely agree. Not only Matthews contract but JT's also....Marner should absolutely demand for a big pay day.

If the season starts, the Leafs would be smart to agree to a 2 year deal (knowing defensive signings will be an issue next offseason) for $9M.

I promise you, no team can go up to a player and say "Well Mackinnon makes 6 mil so I'll use that to decide what you're worth". Those, like the Aho contract, are exceptions to the rule, and signed for well below market value. Marner's camp is gonna argue that he's a 22 year old 90 point scorer, and should be paid like a top 10 winger, and quite frankly, they're not wrong. Any team with cap would jump at the opportunity to pay a guy like Marner a whole lot of money, as long as they don't have to give up 4 firsts to do it. (which is the only reason Marner hasn't been signed elsewhere, and honestly why offersheets don't work)

Dubas is more creative than Lou Lamoriello in regards to roster construction/trades but the fact that he only bought 1 UFA year from Matthews at a cap hit 11+ AAV is insane. That would have never happened if lamoriello was still GM

This whole "because Matthews signed for more" narrative needs to stop. Using that logic, rantanen, tkachuk and Laine shouldn't make a dime over 6 million

The whole situation with Marner and other RFAs this year is here "because Matthews signed for more". Living in denial wont help.....

Logic of the non Leaf fans is essentially, whatever hurts the Leafs is the only correct answer and for everyone else reality is what matters. Just look at all the people commenting on Gardiner signing in Carolina. He's now a huge addition to a young and improving club and will help them win a cup. What was he in TO? A bum who can't play defence and should he a forward.

All these people who argue everyday about Marner and how much he deserves 11+ million because he's so great and because Dubas overpayed Nylander and Matthews just want Marner to get overpayed. It's just a delusional want born from a desire to see TO fail. What a waste of energy.

A top 10 winger contract right now would be about 8 million dollars...

Marner till Jun 2019 : Wow arent we lucky, Great franchise player, we will finally win Stanley with him and Matthews, BIG THREE RULES

Marner after Jun 2019 : Fck you greedy bast.rd, noone wants you here

....and Golden boy from Arizona pulled a badass mustaches on.....

Marner is asking for 11 million and he's well within his rights to do so. If 9 million was the number, a deal would have been done already.

Nevermind fair value for just a second, people on here who hate/ want to see the Leafs screwed in every scenario want to see Marner get whatever numbers for whatever term he wants but as soon as the conversation turns to what Marner would make on another team...there's no "give the kid what he deserves" sentiments to further proove the Leafs hating narrative, nevermind "the kid making what he deserves".

As for the Leafs being better or worse with and without Marner? Yeah obviously they are better with him but let's get one thing straight here: hockey is an ultimate team sport.
Yeah a team needs stars but the strength of a team is in the entirety of the roster and not just one player.

Will it hurt the Leafs if Marner is not in the lineup? Absolutly. It's also not the end of the world.

The better question: Is Auston Matthews 2.5 million a year better than Mitch Marner? I think 10.25 AAV for 5 years is a fair number for both sides.

Last time I checked Marner was one of the teams better PKs, was a plus 22, while Auston was a minus 9... The kid has reasons to want money and term close to Auston IMO

Guessing you're referring to MacKinnon for what Rantanen is worth, which is stupid because look at MacKinnon's production before signing the deal he's on now. Not sure how Laine or Tkachuk are linked to that value.

The Matthew comparison is one Marner will make....and with justification. Leafs have a lot more comparables...Aho being the best one. I'm sure the Leafs Leafs are quite willing to go 10m maybe even 10.5m on a five year deal, so really the Leafs and Marner are just a 1m apart.
But if Marner doesn't like the the deal the Leafs are offering, yep it's his right to decline. But if the Leafs decline his offer, there is a big difference between making 10m in Toronto and maybe 2m in Europe and having even less negotiation level next summer. Is Marner willing to sacrifice 8m and more on principle?

I tend to agree with There'sAlwaysNextYear, that players salaries are not based on teams comparisons but league comparisons. If teams comparisons were made, Laine, Connor, Wheeler shouldn't be making than 6.125m Scheifele. Arbitration cases aren't based on team comparisons but based on league comparisons.

Except Scheifele signed his deal before he became a PPG player, so again, stupid comparison. You can't apply hindsight to deals guys like MacKinnon and Scheifele signed before they became the productive players they are now. Wheeler signed his deal coming off of a 91 point season. Laine is asking what he's asking coming off of scoring 114 goals during his 3 year ELC, including a 44 goal season. Connor is probably the only one who you could draw a direct comparison to Scheifele just based on points. Giving Connor the same cap hit % as what Scheifele got when he signed his deal, he probably should make around $6.8m or so.

Wheeler had a 91 point season and was a UFA which gave him even more leverage. And he didn't even sign fo 9m. So I don't understand why Marner should get 11m as so many say.

Because Matthews is making $11.6m having scored less points. League comparisons don't matter, his agent will keep focusing on that number and he's not wrong for doing it. If you want to blame anyone, blame Dubas for signing Matthews to that number and failing to lock him up for 8 years like McDavid, Draisaitl, or Eichel. For the record, Draisaitl got what he did because Chiarelli changed the market signing McDavid first. Dubas did the same thing with Matthews/Marner. Chiarelli for all his faults was at least smart enough to get both guys signed to 8 year deals where eventually the team sees a deal.

Sorry, I disagree. League comparisons matter. Other NHL teams aren't offering Marner Matthews money, because they don't think he worth he's worth 11.6m. Leafs don't have to bid against any NHL teams though Marner has the right to decline any offer...world wide. Now I think Matthews and the Nylander contracts were too high by league standards. But the Leafs aren't forced to continue to pay their any RFASs an overpayment. Just like if teams have their stars on a "team friendly" contracts, that tradition can't continue with their new RFAs, those players demand league comparisons.