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Possible Marner trades

Created by: RangerWall92
Initial Creation Date: Sep 7, 2019
Published: Sep 7 at 6:21 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Rakell, Rickard
  2. Manson, Josh
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (ANA)
ANA
    TOR
    1. Hinostroza, Vinnie
    2. Keller, Clayton
    3. 2021 4th round pick (PIT)
    ARI
      TOR
      1. DeBrusk, Jake
      2. Carlo, Brandon [RFA Rights]
      3. 2020 1st round pick (BOS)
      BOS
        TOR
        1. Montour, Brandon
        2. Reinhart, Sam
        3. 2020 2nd round pick (BUF)
        BUF
          TOR
          1. Andersson, Rasmus
          2. Lindholm, Elias
          3. 2020 1st round pick (CGY)
          4. 2020 3rd round pick (CGY)
          CGY
            TOR
            1. Pesce, Brett
            2. Foegele, Warren
            3. 2020 1st round pick (TOR)
            CAR
              TOR
              1. Strome, Dylan
              2. Boqvist, Adam
              3. 2021 2nd round pick (CHI)
              4. 2020 5th round pick (CHI)
              CHI
                TOR
                1. Makar, Cale
                2. 2020 1st round pick (COL)
                COL
                  TOR
                  1. Anderson, Josh
                  2. Dubois, Pierre-Luc
                  3. 2021 3rd round pick (CBJ)
                  CBJ
                    TOR
                    1. Heiskanen, Miro
                    2. Hintz, Roope
                    3. 2020 4th round pick (DAL)
                    DAL
                      TOR
                      1. Athanasiou, Andreas
                      2. Hronek, Filip
                      3. 2020 1st round pick (DET)
                      DET
                        TOR
                        1. Klefbom, Oscar
                        2. Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
                        3. 2020 1st round pick (EDM)
                        4. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)
                        EDM
                          TOR
                          1. Ekblad, Aaron
                          2. 2020 2nd round pick (FLA)
                          FLA
                            TOR
                            1. Toffoli, Tyler
                            2. 2020 1st round pick (LAK)
                            3. 2021 1st round pick (LAK)
                            LAK
                              TOR
                              1. Dumba, Matt
                              2. 2021 3rd round pick (MIN)
                              MIN
                                TOR
                                1. Domi, Max
                                2. Lehkonen, Artturi
                                3. 2020 1st round pick (MTL)
                                4. 2020 3rd round pick (MTL)
                                MTL
                                  TOR
                                  1. Arvidsson, Viktor
                                  2. Fabbro, Dante
                                  3. 2020 2nd round pick (NJD)
                                  NSH
                                    TOR
                                    1. Hall, Taylor
                                    NJD
                                      TOR
                                      1. Barzal, Mathew
                                      2. 2020 3rd round pick (NYI)
                                      NYI
                                        TOR
                                        1. Deangelo, Anthony [RFA Rights]
                                        2. Zibanejad, Mika
                                        3. 2020 3rd round pick (DAL)
                                        NYR
                                          TOR
                                          1. Tierney, Chris
                                          2. DeMelo, Dylan
                                          3. 2020 1st round pick (OTT)
                                          4. 2020 1st round pick (SJS)
                                          OTT
                                            TOR
                                            1. Konecny, Travis [RFA Rights]
                                            2. Provorov, Ivan [RFA Rights]
                                            3. 2021 3rd round pick (PHI)
                                            PHI
                                              TOR
                                              1. Galchenyuk, Alex
                                              2. McCann, Jared
                                              3. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
                                              4. 2021 2nd round pick (PIT)
                                              PIT
                                                TOR
                                                1. Hertl, Tomas
                                                2. Sörensen, Marcus
                                                3. 2021 1st round pick (SJS)
                                                4. 2020 3rd round pick (PHI)
                                                SJS
                                                  TOR
                                                  1. Parayko, Colton
                                                  2. Thomas, Robert
                                                  3. 2020 2nd round pick (STL)
                                                  STL
                                                    TOR
                                                    1. Johnson, Tyler
                                                    2. Palat, Ondrej
                                                    3. 2020 1st round pick (TBL)
                                                    4. 2020 3rd round pick (TBL)
                                                    TBL
                                                      TOR
                                                      1. Virtanen, Jake
                                                      2. Horvat, Bo
                                                      3. 2020 2nd round pick (VAN)
                                                      VAN
                                                        TOR
                                                        1. Glass, Cody
                                                        2. 2020 1st round pick (VGK)
                                                        3. 2020 2nd round pick (VGK)
                                                        VGK
                                                          TOR
                                                          1. Orlov, Dmitry
                                                          2. Vrána, Jakub
                                                          3. 2020 1st round pick (WSH)
                                                          4. 2021 2nd round pick (WSH)
                                                          WSH
                                                            TOR
                                                            1. Connor, Kyle [RFA Rights]
                                                            2. 2020 2nd round pick (WPG)
                                                            3. 2020 3rd round pick (WPG)
                                                            WPG
                                                              Buyouts
                                                              • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
                                                              Retained Salary Transactions
                                                              • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
                                                              DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
                                                              2020
                                                              BOS
                                                              CGY
                                                              TOR
                                                              COL
                                                              DET
                                                              EDM
                                                              LAK
                                                              MTL
                                                              OTT
                                                              SJS
                                                              PIT
                                                              TBL
                                                              VGK
                                                              WSH
                                                              TOR
                                                              BUF
                                                              EDM
                                                              FLA
                                                              NJD
                                                              STL
                                                              VAN
                                                              VGK
                                                              WPG
                                                              CBJ
                                                              ANA
                                                              CGY
                                                              MTL
                                                              NYI
                                                              DAL
                                                              PHI
                                                              TBL
                                                              WPG
                                                              TOR
                                                              VGK
                                                              DAL
                                                              CHI
                                                              TOR
                                                              CAR
                                                              COL
                                                              EDM
                                                              SJS
                                                              STL
                                                              WPG
                                                              2021
                                                              TOR
                                                              LAK
                                                              SJS
                                                              TOR
                                                              CHI
                                                              PIT
                                                              WSH
                                                              TOR
                                                              CBJ
                                                              MIN
                                                              PHI
                                                              TOR
                                                              PIT
                                                              TOR
                                                              TOR
                                                              TOR
                                                              2022
                                                              TOR
                                                              TOR
                                                              TOR
                                                              TOR
                                                              TOR
                                                              TOR
                                                              TOR
                                                              ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
                                                              75$81,500,000$225,778,639$0$14,910,000-$144,278,639
                                                              Left WingCenterRight Wing
                                                              TOR
                                                              Johnsson, Andreas
                                                              $3,400,000
                                                              LW
                                                              UFA - 4
                                                              TOR
                                                              Matthews, Auston
                                                              $11,634,000
                                                              C
                                                              UFA - 5
                                                              TOR
                                                              Nylander, William
                                                              $6,962,366
                                                              RW, C
                                                              UFA - 5
                                                              TOR
                                                              Hyman, Zach
                                                              $2,250,000
                                                              LW
                                                              NTC
                                                              UFA - 2
                                                              TOR
                                                              Tavares, John
                                                              $11,000,000
                                                              C
                                                              NMC
                                                              UFA - 6
                                                              TOR
                                                              Horton, Nathan
                                                              $5,300,000
                                                              RW
                                                              NMC NTC
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Mikheyev, Ilya
                                                              $925,000
                                                              LW, RW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Kerfoot, Alexander
                                                              $3,500,000
                                                              C, LW
                                                              UFA - 4
                                                              TOR
                                                              Clarkson, David
                                                              $5,250,000
                                                              RW
                                                              NMC NTC
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Petan, Nicolas
                                                              $775,000
                                                              LW, RW, C
                                                              RFA - 2
                                                              TOR
                                                              Shore, Nick
                                                              $750,000
                                                              C
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Kapanen, Kasperi
                                                              $3,200,000
                                                              RW
                                                              RFA - 3
                                                              TOR
                                                              Agostino, Kenny
                                                              $737,500
                                                              LW
                                                              UFA - 2
                                                              TOR
                                                              Spezza, Jason
                                                              $700,000
                                                              C, RW
                                                              NTC
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Moore, Trevor
                                                              $775,000
                                                              RW, LW
                                                              RFA - 2
                                                              BOS
                                                              DeBrusk, Jake
                                                              $863,333
                                                              LW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Gauthier, Frédérik
                                                              $675,000
                                                              C
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Åberg, Pontus
                                                              $700,000
                                                              RW, LW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              CAR
                                                              Foegele, Warren
                                                              $746,667
                                                              LW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              ANA
                                                              Rakell, Rickard
                                                              $3,789,444
                                                              C, RW, LW
                                                              UFA - 3
                                                              ARI
                                                              Hinostroza, Vinnie
                                                              $1,500,000
                                                              RW, C
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              MTL
                                                              Lehkonen, Artturi
                                                              $2,400,000
                                                              LW, RW
                                                              RFA - 2
                                                              CHI
                                                              Strome, Dylan
                                                              $863,333
                                                              C
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              ARI
                                                              Keller, Clayton
                                                              $885,833
                                                              RW, C, LW
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              NJD
                                                              Hall, Taylor
                                                              $6,000,000
                                                              LW, C
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              CBJ
                                                              Dubois, Pierre-Luc
                                                              $894,166
                                                              C, LW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              BUF
                                                              Reinhart, Sam
                                                              $3,650,000
                                                              RW, C
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              PIT
                                                              Galchenyuk, Alex
                                                              $4,900,000
                                                              LW, C, RW
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              DAL
                                                              Hintz, Roope
                                                              $811,667
                                                              C, LW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              CGY
                                                              Lindholm, Elias
                                                              $4,850,000
                                                              RW, C
                                                              UFA - 5
                                                              PIT
                                                              McCann, Jared
                                                              $1,250,000
                                                              LW, C
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              DET
                                                              Athanasiou, Andreas
                                                              $3,000,000
                                                              C, LW, RW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              CBJ
                                                              Anderson, Josh
                                                              $1,850,000
                                                              RW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              SJS
                                                              Sörensen, Marcus
                                                              $1,500,000
                                                              LW
                                                              UFA - 2
                                                              EDM
                                                              Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
                                                              $6,000,000
                                                              C, LW
                                                              UFA - 2
                                                              LAK
                                                              Toffoli, Tyler
                                                              $4,600,000
                                                              RW, LW
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              TBL
                                                              Johnson, Tyler
                                                              $5,000,000
                                                              LW, C, RW
                                                              NTC
                                                              UFA - 5
                                                              MTL
                                                              Domi, Max
                                                              $3,150,000
                                                              C, LW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              NSH
                                                              Arvidsson, Viktor
                                                              $4,250,000
                                                              RW, LW
                                                              UFA - 5
                                                              WSH
                                                              Vrána, Jakub
                                                              $3,350,000
                                                              LW
                                                              RFA - 2
                                                              NYI
                                                              Barzal, Mathew
                                                              $863,333
                                                              C
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              STL
                                                              Thomas, Robert
                                                              $894,166
                                                              RW, C
                                                              RFA - 2
                                                              NYR
                                                              Zibanejad, Mika
                                                              $5,350,000
                                                              C
                                                              NMC
                                                              UFA - 3
                                                              TBL
                                                              Palat, Ondrej
                                                              $5,300,000
                                                              RW, LW
                                                              NTC
                                                              UFA - 3
                                                              OTT
                                                              Tierney, Chris
                                                              $2,937,500
                                                              C
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              VAN
                                                              Virtanen, Jake
                                                              $1,250,000
                                                              RW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              SJS
                                                              Hertl, Tomas
                                                              $5,625,000
                                                              C, RW
                                                              UFA - 3
                                                              VAN
                                                              Horvat, Bo
                                                              $5,500,000
                                                              C
                                                              UFA - 4
                                                              VGK
                                                              Glass, Cody
                                                              $863,333
                                                              C
                                                              RFA - 3
                                                              Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
                                                              TOR
                                                              Rielly, Morgan
                                                              $5,000,000
                                                              LD
                                                              UFA - 3
                                                              TOR
                                                              Ceci, Cody
                                                              $4,500,000
                                                              RD
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Andersen, Frederik
                                                              $5,000,000
                                                              G
                                                              NTC
                                                              UFA - 2
                                                              TOR
                                                              Muzzin, Jake
                                                              $4,000,000
                                                              LD
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Barrie, Tyson
                                                              $2,750,000
                                                              RD
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Hutchinson, Michael
                                                              $700,000
                                                              G
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Dermott, Travis
                                                              $863,333
                                                              LD
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Schmaltz, Jordan
                                                              $700,000
                                                              RD
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Harpur, Ben
                                                              $725,000
                                                              LD
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Holl, Justin
                                                              $675,000
                                                              RD
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              TOR
                                                              Marincin, Martin
                                                              $700,000
                                                              LD
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              ANA
                                                              Manson, Josh
                                                              $4,100,000
                                                              RD
                                                              NTC
                                                              UFA - 3
                                                              BUF
                                                              Montour, Brandon
                                                              $3,387,500
                                                              RD
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              CGY
                                                              Andersson, Rasmus
                                                              $755,833
                                                              RD
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              CAR
                                                              Pesce, Brett
                                                              $4,025,000
                                                              RD
                                                              UFA - 5
                                                              CHI
                                                              Boqvist, Adam
                                                              $894,167
                                                              RD
                                                              RFA - 3
                                                              COL
                                                              Makar, Cale
                                                              $880,833
                                                              RD
                                                              RFA - 2
                                                              DAL
                                                              Heiskanen, Miro
                                                              $894,166
                                                              LD
                                                              RFA - 2
                                                              DET
                                                              Hronek, Filip
                                                              $714,166
                                                              RD
                                                              RFA - 2
                                                              EDM
                                                              Klefbom, Oscar
                                                              $4,167,000
                                                              LD
                                                              UFA - 4
                                                              FLA
                                                              Ekblad, Aaron
                                                              $7,500,000
                                                              RD
                                                              UFA - 6
                                                              MIN
                                                              Dumba, Matt
                                                              $6,000,000
                                                              RD
                                                              UFA - 4
                                                              NSH
                                                              Fabbro, Dante
                                                              $925,000
                                                              RD
                                                              RFA - 2
                                                              OTT
                                                              DeMelo, Dylan
                                                              $900,000
                                                              RD
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              STL
                                                              Parayko, Colton
                                                              $5,500,000
                                                              RD
                                                              UFA - 3
                                                              WSH
                                                              Orlov, Dmitry
                                                              $5,100,000
                                                              LD
                                                              NTC
                                                              UFA - 4

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                                                              Sep 7 at 6:28
                                                              #1
                                                              McFaksaGOAT
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                                                              LMFAO I’ve got some bad news for you pal...
                                                              Sep 7 at 6:29
                                                              #2
                                                              McFaksaGOAT
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                                                              Also on a side note, Dallas wouldn’t do Heiskanen for Marner alone
                                                              Sep 7 at 6:34
                                                              #3
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                                                              So the Caps can give up Orlov and Vrana for Marner, but the Bruins have to give up Debrusk and McAvoy?
                                                              Sep 7 at 6:41
                                                              #4
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                                                              I'm not sure if there's a single time you didn't overvalue him
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                                                              Sep 7 at 6:43
                                                              #5
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                                                              Sabres take this and run.
                                                              Sep 7 at 6:51
                                                              #6
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                                                              Edited Sep 7 at 6:59
                                                              Finally, a player I'd be willing to move Andersson for. Make it Ras, Lindholm and a 3rd for Marner agreed to a reasonable contract with us.
                                                              Sep 7 at 6:59
                                                              #7
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                                                              Quoting: CrossFireX33
                                                              I'm not sure if there's a single time you didn't overvalue him


                                                              I may over value him too, the only ones that are terrible to me are the Dallas and Colorado ones. Edmonton is giving up a lot too. I think marner is a difference maker, even playing the wing.
                                                              Sep 7 at 7:40
                                                              #8
                                                              Burgers and Hockey
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                                                              The package moving from BOS is twice as valuable as the package moving from ARI.

                                                              Try to get the values even slightly close to even.
                                                              Sep 7 at 7:44
                                                              #9
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                                                              Columbus laughed and hangs up... PLD isn’t getting moved unless a 1st line center is coming back.
                                                              Sep 7 at 8:00
                                                              #10
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                                                              Quoting: sabres89
                                                              Sabres take this and run.


                                                              I dont think so. How much of an upgrade is mariner to reinhart. Puts up more points in a more explosive offense better I guess. But now you lose part of your D rebuild and have to spend 2 or 3 more mil on a winger. I wouldnt do it if I was Buff
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                                                              Sep 7 at 9:46
                                                              #11
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                                                              Unfortunately I see many holes, the OTT one in particular, a middle 6 center (which the leafs dont even need) and an OK defenseman equals a extremely talented, 90 point scorer? Ottawa would most certainly be coughing up Brannstrom and White/Batherson for that deal to be close. The NYR one doesn't fit TOR needs anyway, as they already have two first line centers in Matthews and Tavares, what would they possibly need Zib for? The DET one is pretty off the mark as well, as Hronek and Athanasiou dont meet the level of Marner, even though I do really like Athanasiou, and perhaps that 2020 DET pick will be a golden lottery ticket to a top 5 pick in the draft.

                                                              Some of these I think aren't that bad however, like the PHI one I think meets the needs and talent level, the CHI and CGY ones aren't bad either. I'd go as far to say that the CHI one yields the best assets, given that Strome can find success away from Debrincat and Kane.

                                                              All things considered, the trades aren't very equal in value to one another, as there are some ok ones and some awful ones. Perhaps you should work to make the trades even on both sides, for all of them.
                                                              Sep 7 at 9:52
                                                              #12
                                                              Who adds what?
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                                                              Edited Sep 8 at 11:31
                                                              Quoting: MJC13
                                                              So the Caps can give up Orlov and Vrana for Marner, but the Bruins have to give up Debrusk and McAvoy?


                                                              First of all, the Caps are gonna pass on that.

                                                              Second, Orlov and McAvoy each top out at 8 points in a postseason, and have 16 career. Marner has a career high of 9, and a career total of 17, so he's totally better, and you can totally see the value!

                                                              ETA: Orlov is still better than McAvoy right now, and Vrana is still better than DeBrusk right now, and somehow the Caps are throwing in an extra pick....

                                                              Meanwhile, SJ and Pitt are each getting Marner for a 2nd line wing, plus some odds and ends they won't notice are missing. Are you sure you want to complain about Orlov? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BHyuuGKtro

                                                              Washington counters with Orlov + Oshie, because otherwise they can't afford Marner. Toronto adds Bracco for Stephenson to even out the overpayment. Boston probably goes with McAvoy, Backes, and a 3rd.
                                                              Sep 7 at 9:55
                                                              #13
                                                              Let'sGoBlues | WPGv4
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                                                              Thomas > Marner
                                                              Sep 8 at 11:21
                                                              #14
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                                                              Quoting: CrossFireX33
                                                              I'm not sure if there's a single time you didn't overvalue him


                                                              Devils trade is probably about right. The vast majority of these need a piece or two going to the Leafs removed to be sane.
                                                              Sep 8 at 11:33
                                                              #15
                                                              Who adds what?
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                                                              Quoting: JayTea
                                                              Devils trade is probably about right. The vast majority of these need a piece or two going to the Leafs removed to be sane.


                                                              Marner for Hall, straight up? Each has just one 90 point season, and Marner is six years younger. Hall's 90 point year was in a lower scoring season, and he's cheaper for this year, so maybe it's close to fair, but I think Toronto adds a little bit, based on the age difference and the odds that the 22 year old keeps improving while the guy turning 28 in November levels off.
                                                              Sep 8 at 12:29
                                                              #16
                                                              EDM
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                                                              Quoting: sabres89
                                                              I may over value him too, the only ones that are terrible to me are the Dallas and Colorado ones. Edmonton is giving up a lot too. I think marner is a difference maker, even playing the wing.


                                                              The Oilers trade is absolutely ridiculous
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