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Signing Point

Initial Creation Date: Sep 15, 2019
Published: Sep 15, 2019 at 11:12 am
Team: 2019-20 Tampa Bay Lightning
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Point, Brayden4$9,500,000
Trades
TBL
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (COL)
  2. 2021 6th round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Domingue, Louis
Buyouts
  • Matthew Carle: $1,833,333
  • Vincent Lecavalier: $0
Buried
  • Mike Condon: $1,325,000 ($2,400,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TBL
VAN
TBL
TBL
TBL
DET
TBL
OTT
TBL
2021
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
COL
TBL
NSH
2022
TBL
TBL
TBL
COL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$81,048,331$0$1,362,500$451,669
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TBL
Maroon, Patrick
$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
$8,500,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
$9,500,000
RW
UFA - 8
TBL
Killorn, Alex
$4,450,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 4
TBL
Point, Brayden
$9,500,000
C, RW
RFA - 3
TBL
Palat, Ondrej
$5,300,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
TBL
Johnson, Tyler
$5,000,000
LW, C, RW
NTC
UFA - 5
TBL
Cirelli, Anthony
$728,333
C
RFA - 1
TBL
Joseph, Mathieu
$728,333
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TBL
Martel, Danick
$700,000
LW
UFA - 1
TBL
Paquette, Cédric
$1,650,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
$5,166,666
RW, LW, C
NTC
UFA - 6
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TBL
Hedman, Victor
$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
TBL
Shattenkirk, Kevin
$1,750,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 7
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
$894,166
LD
RFA - 1
TBL
McElhinney, Curtis
$1,300,000
G
UFA - 2
TBL
Coburn, Braydon
$1,700,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Cernak, Erik
$697,500
RD
RFA - 1
TBL
Rutta, Jan
$1,300,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Sep 15, 2019 at 11:18
#1
The Enlightened One
Joined: Jun 2018
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Discount on the AAV to hit Ufa quickly? Seems reasonable but it likely ends up being 5 years because no one ever gets 4
Sep 15, 2019 at 11:21
#2
Habs
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 2,224
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Vasilevsky contract extension next season and Sergachev needs a contract, I would offer sheet Sergachev if I was another team for sure. This AAV would put Tampa in a tough spot next season.
Sep 15, 2019 at 11:31
#3
bhavikp27
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 4,317
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COL decline
Sep 15, 2019 at 11:47
#4
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 461
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Quoting: Random2152
Discount on the AAV to hit Ufa quickly? Seems reasonable but it likely ends up being 5 years because no one ever gets 4


This is not a discount. This is what he would get for eight years. I know he’s a center, but I don’t understand how he can possibly justify a better deal than the Hart winner with multiple 100+ point seasons, nor the Vezina winning goalie who was a two-time finalist. His closest comparable on the team is Stamkos, and the AAV would be similar on a long-term deal. Marner was overpaid, but that doesn’t mean every RFA is getting overpaid.
Sep 15, 2019 at 12:15
#5
johnjohn
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 173
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Quoting: I_Know_Nothing_About_Hockey_Or_Any_Sport2
This is not a discount. This is what he would get for eight years. I know he’s a center, but I don’t understand how he can possibly justify a better deal than the Hart winner with multiple 100+ point seasons, nor the Vezina winning goalie who was a two-time finalist. His closest comparable on the team is Stamkos, and the AAV would be similar on a long-term deal. Marner was overpaid, but that doesn’t mean every RFA is getting overpaid.


Marner was paid fairly for Toronto because dubas set the bar
Other teams don’t have to be stupid like dubas
That being said I feel 7 million for 3 or maybe 8 million on a 5 or 6 year deal
Again my opinion. I might be wrong but I can’t see Tampa going over 8 million for his team comparison and cap space
Sep 15, 2019 at 12:45
#6
BOLT LOVER
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,838
Likes: 323
Prefer 8 year 10M deal .. settle for 5 for 9.5 .. if he takes less than 9 his agent should be SHOT .. injuries happen in this sport.. bridges are good in theory until they crash on people below.. if I Point .. ZERO chance of me caving and take it to at least December or demand trade
Sep 15, 2019 at 2:06
#7
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 461
Likes: 148
Quoting: BOLTLOVER1
Prefer 8 year 10M deal .. settle for 5 for 9.5 .. if he takes less than 9 his agent should be SHOT .. injuries happen in this sport.. bridges are good in theory until they crash on people below.. if I Point .. ZERO chance of me caving and take it to at least December or demand trade


I would love a long-term deal as well, but we don't have the cap for that. With performance bonuses, we have pretty much under $7.5m. Point at eight years would be $9.5m, I would assume. It would be hard for him to argue for more because team comparables tend to be valued more than outside comparables, especially when it's pretty widely regarded that outside comparables like Marner were overpaid, and Point is by no means more valuable than a Hart-winner with multiple 100+ point seasons or Vezina-winner and two-time finalist. My guess for what Point would sign for is in the universe of $9.5 x 7-8, $8.5 x 6, $8 x 5, neither side wants 4, and for 1-3 it would be significantly less (probably ~$6.5m) with a backloaded contract so that his next QO has to be massive, guaranteeing that he will, eventually, make money. If we find teams to take Condon and Rutta, then we can probably get the long-term deal and I would love to see that, but who on earth wants to be dedicating over $1m of cap to an AHL backup goalie?

Maybe you would hold out if you were Point, but McAvoy and Werenski, two of the five most recent RFAs to sign, agreed to that style of a heavily discounted bridge deal and are now guaranteed $7.3m and $7m on their next contract, which, for them, is more than what they would have gotten right now long-term. Some hockey players just want the stability of a guaranteed long-term contract, but it's obviously not unheard of to do things the way BriseBois is pressuring Point right now.
Sep 15, 2019 at 2:16
#8
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 461
Likes: 148
Quoting: Johnjohn
Marner was paid fairly for Toronto because dubas set the bar
Other teams don’t have to be stupid like dubas
That being said I feel 7 million for 3 or maybe 8 million on a 5 or 6 year deal
Again my opinion. I might be wrong but I can’t see Tampa going over 8 million for his team comparison and cap space


I think if Point decides to bet on himself and takes a three year deal, it's probably going to be in the area of $6.5m and no more than $7m. The advantage for Point is that the last year salary would be like $9m or $10m or even more, meaning his next QO will be that massive.
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Sep 15, 2019 at 2:55
#9
The Enlightened One
Joined: Jun 2018
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Quoting: I_Know_Nothing_About_Hockey_Or_Any_Sport2
This is not a discount. This is what he would get for eight years. I know he’s a center, but I don’t understand how he can possibly justify a better deal than the Hart winner with multiple 100+ point seasons, nor the Vezina winning goalie who was a two-time finalist. His closest comparable on the team is Stamkos, and the AAV would be similar on a long-term deal. Marner was overpaid, but that doesn’t mean every RFA is getting overpaid.


Except point is better than marner so....
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Sep 15, 2019 at 4:41
#10
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 461
Likes: 148
Quoting: Random2152
Except point is better than marner so....


So? Just because someone got overpaid, doesn't mean every single player better than him (especially when you're talking about such different roles and subjectively defining the value of each) is getting overpaid by even more. As I said, team comparables matter a lot more in RFA negotiations, typically, than external comparables. Goalies are sort exceptions because there's only one starter per team (though Vasilevskiy signed the same deal as Kucherov under the same agent and that's likely not entirely coincidence), but it shouldn't be a surprise that Werenski and Jones are on similar deals, McAvoy and Krug are somewhat close, and Marner's cited comparable was Matthews/Tavares rather than wingers like Kane, Kucherov, and Panarin. And as far as team comparables go, Point is not getting a nonsense deal we can't afford.
 
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