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Oshie

Created by: Eli
Team: 2019-20 Dallas Stars
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 15, 2019
Published: Sep. 15, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Give old man Pavelski someone to reminisce with, about the '90s.
Trades
DAL
  1. Oshie, T.J.
  2. Stephenson, Chandler
Additional Details:
Dallas adds a 2nd potential 30 goal wing this summer, and gets a pk specialist wing with no offense.
WSH
  1. Faksa, Radek
  2. Janmark, Mattias
Additional Details:
WSH gets two checking line guys with a bit of skill, who will each get more expensive next summer.
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$78,974,167$932,500$4,750,000$2,525,833
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 6
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$9,850,000$9,850,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 8
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167
RW
RFA - 4
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$1,500,000$1,500,000 (Performance Bonus$1,750,000$2M)
RW
NTC
UFA - 1
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$811,667$811,667
C
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
LD
UFA - 6
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,137,500$2,137,500
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$2,350,000$2,350,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$4,916,667$4,916,667
G
NMC
UFA - 4
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$737,500$737,500
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Sep. 15, 2019 at 3:36 p.m.
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You really want to pay a 32 year old almost 6 million for the next 6 years???
Sep. 15, 2019 at 3:39 p.m.
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Cogliano on the 2nd line, Hintz on the 4th line... this dude knows a lot about hockey. Trade doesn't even make sense for either team. WSH is gonna be in cap crunch next year with Backstrom/Holtby, bringing on two expiring contracts is not a good idea
Sep. 15, 2019 at 3:48 p.m.
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GMBM says hell no, value coming in isn't enough to justify shipping out Oshie
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Sep. 15, 2019 at 4:02 p.m.
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Quoting: mk458
You really want to pay a 32 year old almost 6 million for the next 6 years???


Oshie was on pace for 30 goals last year, but missed a dozen games with three different bumps and bruises, and settled for 25. He's hit 25 goals in three of the last four years, and 45 points in his last six, with a high of 60.

His salary is below cap hit already, and falling, mostly, year by year. By the time he's Pavelski's age, it averages 4.5M per year, for the last three years, so either he stays around as a great deal, or he's easy to trade to a team trying to stay above the floor.

Quoting: mvp13
Cogliano on the 2nd line, Hintz on the 4th line... this dude knows a lot about hockey. Trade doesn't even make sense for either team. WSH is gonna be in cap crunch next year with Backstrom/Holtby, bringing on two expiring contracts is not a good idea


Dallas gets more goal scoring, so that should be a win, whatever line Hintz sticks on. The Caps stop being league-worst at faceoffs, get above average at penalty killing, and get enough Swedish and Czech speakers to build a forward line of each. If they each work well together, and become greater than the sum of their parts, it could make up for Oshie's offense.

I made lines, not a depth chart. Cogs can be a power forward and let a couple of skill guys skate with the puck, and get creative, while he occupies the goalie and one defenseman. I think of Hintz as another skill guy, so I moved him back to spread out the offense. Then I wound up with Hintz and Dellandrea together on line three and it looked like too much n00b in one place. I liked Comeau and Perry to mentor Dellandrea and help him really succeed, and I figured Hintz could take care of himself on line 4 and maybe get some points in on PP2?

Caps fans (like me) are divided on whether the team can afford Holtby. Copley tied for 36th in wins last year with Quick and Ward. Samsonov and Vanecek are good prospects. I'm not worried about it. Letting Janmark walk to move up a prospect clears enough cap space to sign Faksa, medium term. Letting Holtby walk clears much more than enough for Backstrom, even if the cap doesn't increase because of bond markets and stuff.
Sep. 15, 2019 at 4:03 p.m.
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Quoting: rootferdukes
GMBM says hell no, value coming in isn't enough to justify shipping out Oshie


Add a prospect and a bust on a holdout?
Sep. 15, 2019 at 4:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Eli
Add a prospect and a bust on a holdout?


Make it Oshie and Stephenson for Radulov (plus other pieces on either side, maybe) and it starts to make sense for the Caps; give up a great two way player and fringe NHLer to add a dynamic scoring threat, and shed a little cap in the process. Just getting rid of Oshie without adding a top 6 winger in return makes less than zero sense for the Caps this season.
Sep. 15, 2019 at 5:08 p.m.
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Quoting: rootferdukes
Make it Oshie and Stephenson for Radulov (plus other pieces on either side, maybe) and it starts to make sense for the Caps; give up a great two way player and fringe NHLer to add a dynamic scoring threat, and shed a little cap in the process. Just getting rid of Oshie without adding a top 6 winger in return makes less than zero sense for the Caps this season.


That makes sense, but I doubt Dallas move Radulov, let alone retain enough salary for him to fit better than Oshie. Dallas fans?

Here's Oshie's contract: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/tj-oshie It pays him only 4.5M per year from ages 35 to 38

It's built on the same descending plan as Radulov's: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/alexander-radulov

Here's Pavelski's, which pays him $8M the year he's 38, which tells me Dallas just wants to score more points, whatever the cost: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/joe-pavelski

So maybe the Caps ask for, like, Damiani and Honka, thrown in, and maybe Washington adds Boyd, and the Caps sign a UFA 2R? Not that there are good ones left.
Sep. 15, 2019 at 5:31 p.m.
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Quoting: Eli
That makes sense, but I doubt Dallas move Radulov, let alone retain enough salary for him to fit better than Oshie. Dallas fans?

Here's Oshie's contract: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/tj-oshie It pays him only 4.5M per year from ages 35 to 38

It's built on the same descending plan as Radulov's: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/alexander-radulov

Here's Pavelski's, which pays him $8M the year he's 38, which tells me Dallas just wants to score more points, whatever the cost: https://www.capfriendly.com/players/joe-pavelski

So maybe the Caps ask for, like, Damiani and Honka, thrown in, and maybe Washington adds Boyd, and the Caps sign a UFA 2R? Not that there are good ones left.


You're right about Radulov probably being a hard guy to get, but again, Oshie will be integral to Washington's success this year and would be similarly tough to acquire. Also, maybe I didn't make this point clear enough: no amount of prospects or non-lottery picks would be worth not having Oshie for any amount of time this year. As long as he remains a strong two-way player, his value is nearly impossible to replace for the same cap hit, so you'd end up paying much more for a younger guy like Kreider or paying about the same amount for a guy as old or older than him (which puts you right back at square one), and that's only IF similar guys are available and interested in Washington. I'd much rather deal with a buyout in the last 1-3 years of his contract than trade him for magic beans now because he ***might*** start to drop off in the near future.
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Sep. 15, 2019 at 8:25 p.m.
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Quoting: rootferdukes
Make it Oshie and Stephenson for Radulov (plus other pieces on either side, maybe) and it starts to make sense for the Caps; give up a great two way player and fringe NHLer to add a dynamic scoring threat, and shed a little cap in the process. Just getting rid of Oshie without adding a top 6 winger in return makes less than zero sense for the Caps this season.


Bruh wtf
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Sep. 15, 2019 at 9:29 p.m.
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Quoting: rootferdukes
You're right about Radulov probably being a hard guy to get, but again, Oshie will be integral to Washington's success this year and would be similarly tough to acquire. Also, maybe I didn't make this point clear enough: no amount of prospects or non-lottery picks would be worth not having Oshie for any amount of time this year. As long as he remains a strong two-way player, his value is nearly impossible to replace for the same cap hit, so you'd end up paying much more for a younger guy like Kreider or paying about the same amount for a guy as old or older than him (which puts you right back at square one), and that's only IF similar guys are available and interested in Washington. I'd much rather deal with a buyout in the last 1-3 years of his contract than trade him for magic beans now because he ***might*** start to drop off in the near future.


This is true. 30 goal scorers are hard to find, and Oshie has been on pace for 30 both full seasons he's played with Backstrom.

3Cs are more available. Ottawa fans are thinking about shopping JGP this year. NJ fans might not have a top nine spot for Zacha this year (but might in the future, if the right offer isn't there). Don't want to overpay for a good 3C with potential to reach 2C in a couple years, if you're focused on right now.
Sep. 15, 2019 at 10:26 p.m.
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Quoting: McFaksaGOAT
Bruh wtf


I didn't say it'd make sense for the Stars lol, just trying to show how ridiculous the return would have to be for trading Oshie this year to make sense to the Caps (just as it would take a ridiculous return for Radulov to get moved while the Stars are a contending team)
 
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