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Team: 2019-20 Boston Bruins
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 17, 2019
Published: Sep. 17, 2019
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Not getting either guy signed long term to hold onto Miller or keep Backes in the NHL feels very short sighted and they’ll regret it
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Sep. 17, 2019 at 8:25 a.m.
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Its ok Carlo's never gonna get the amount of points needed to get a contract bigger than Pesce or Parayko
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Sep. 17, 2019 at 8:30 a.m.
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Its ok Carlo's never gonna get the amount of points needed to get a contract bigger than Pesce or Parayko


For sure, it’s just if he was willing to take 2.85 you had the room to offer Chuck 7.5-8 and whiffed. But who knows maybe they both wanted bridge deals, I just didn’t get that sense from them.
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Sep. 17, 2019 at 8:33 a.m.
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Well, They are part of the new core. This allows them 2-3 years before they really have to pay out again. Debrusk, Coyle and Krug are next in line and they have enough money next year to sign them all with about 25m (Debrusk 5 x 5.50 -- Coyle 4 x 4.75-- Krug 5 x 6.75).

After next year they free up almost 20m in three guys (Rask, Backes & krejci).

This puts them in a great position. Three years from now their payroll will look amazing
1. Bergeron 6.875m x1
2. Pastrnak 6.66m x 2
3. Marchand 6.12 x 4
4. McAvoy 4.9 x 1

Their cap is in a great situation.
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Sep. 17, 2019 at 8:39 a.m.
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Sweeney has this set up perfectly! Lots of money cap wise in 2-3 years.
Sep. 17, 2019 at 8:45 a.m.
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Quoting: Propeller09
Well, They are part of the new core. This allows them 2-3 years before they really have to pay out again. Debrusk, Coyle and Krug are next in line and they have enough money next year to sign them all with about 25m (Debrusk 5 x 5.50 -- Coyle 4 x 4.75-- Krug 5 x 6.75).

After next year they free up almost 20m in three guys (Rask, Backes & krejci).

This puts them in a great position. Three years from now their payroll will look amazing
1. Bergeron 6.875m x1
2. Pastrnak 6.66m x 2
3. Marchand 6.12 x 4
4. McAvoy 4.9 x 1

Their cap is in a great situation.


Quoting: kscoop
Sweeney has this set up perfectly! Lots of money cap wise in 2-3 years.


I mean I know they have a lot of room in a few years my point was that they’ll have to pay a lot more for McAvoy after his deal rather than lock him up now.

And I’d be surprised if Coyle/Krug sign those deals, think they’ll want more term for that AAV
Sep. 17, 2019 at 8:48 a.m.
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Quoting: Propeller09
Debrusk, Coyle and Krug are next in line and they have enough money next year to sign them all with about 25m (Debrusk 5 x 5.50 -- Coyle 4 x 4.75-- Krug 5 x 6.75)


Man kudos to the bruins if they can really keep this hometown discount thing going, but I have a real hard time imagining Krug for 6.75 AAV. That's a BIG discount.
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Sep. 17, 2019 at 8:57 a.m.
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Quoting: csick
Its ok Carlo's never gonna get the amount of points needed to get a contract bigger than Pesce or Parayko


I think it’s really, really dumb to say that about a 22 year old d man. Most d men his age haven’t even played an NHL game yet. He started jumping up in the play a lot towards the end of last year, I think you should maybe stay away from the absolutes and terms like never for players you don’t watch much. Might make you look foolish one day.
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Sep. 17, 2019 at 8:58 a.m.
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I mean I know they have a lot of room in a few years my point was that they’ll have to pay a lot more for McAvoy after his deal rather than lock him up now.

And I’d be surprised if Coyle/Krug sign those deals, think they’ll want more term for that AAV


While i agree that i wish they guys were locked up for more term. Its bad business to trade assets for cap room. Take the shorter cap hit now and deal with the larger cap hit down the line. Im sure there were future contracts already discussed when both players signed these deals. next year alone when they move backes and a 5th to ottawa (similar to lightning) that gives the bruins money to give guys. the cap is also supposed to increase significantly with a new tv deal in the next few years. This is perfect cap management.
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Sep. 17, 2019 at 8:58 a.m.
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For sure, it’s just if he was willing to take 2.85 you had the room to offer Chuck 7.5-8 and whiffed. But who knows maybe they both wanted bridge deals, I just didn’t get that sense from them.


How did they have the room to offer chuck 8? Do we think he would have accepted 8?
Sep. 17, 2019 at 9:04 a.m.
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Man kudos to the bruins if they can really keep this hometown discount thing going, but I have a real hard time imagining Krug for 6.75 AAV. That's a BIG discount.


I don't think he would get much more than 7.5? He is a tough one for me... He was surprisingly great defensively this post season, kind of changed my opinion about him. Carlson makes 8m and he is not as good as him. I think most would agree he is not a true top pairing guy, but his offense is elite and d is now top 4 worthy.

Right now there are only a handful of guys making more than than 6.75m (Doughty, OEL, Burns, Karlsson, PK, Letang, suter, weber, Ekblad & Carlson). The only ones he could really be in the conversation with are Ekblad and Letang & the major difference being FLA and Pitt needed that Dman and they were their best. Right now Krug is behind McAVoy, Carlo and maybe Chara (situational).
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Sep. 17, 2019 at 9:07 a.m.
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While i agree that i wish they guys were locked up for more term. Its bad business to trade assets for cap room. Take the shorter cap hit now and deal with the larger cap hit down the line. Im sure there were future contracts already discussed when both players signed these deals. next year alone when they move backes and a 5th to ottawa (similar to lightning) that gives the bruins money to give guys. the cap is also supposed to increase significantly with a new tv deal in the next few years. This is perfect cap management.


and... They are still under team control if it all goes bad.
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Sep. 17, 2019 at 9:15 a.m.
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I think it’s really, really dumb to say that about a 22 year old d man. Most d men his age haven’t even played an NHL game yet. He started jumping up in the play a lot towards the end of last year, I think you should maybe stay away from the absolutes and terms like never for players you don’t watch much. Might make you look foolish one day.


Yeah - I tend to agree. I don't think he will ever be at the top of the list for defensive scoring, he could easily be a 6g 29a player (Paryko's best offensive season). Easily. almost by default playing top 4 minutes.
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Sep. 17, 2019 at 9:16 a.m.
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Yeah - I tend to agree. I don't think he will ever be at the top of the list for defensive scoring, he could easily be a 6g 29a player (Paryko's best offensive season). Easily. almost by default playing top 4 minutes.


I think he could wind up being a lot like parayko as well
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Sep. 17, 2019 at 9:56 a.m.
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How did they have the room to offer chuck 8? Do we think he would have accepted 8?


A Miller trade gives them 7.9. Everyone keeps talking about how this deal is fine because he loves it here and he’ll sign a team friendly deal in 3 years, so if that’s not the case they’re really screwed.
Sep. 17, 2019 at 9:58 a.m.
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While i agree that i wish they guys were locked up for more term. Its bad business to trade assets for cap room. Take the shorter cap hit now and deal with the larger cap hit down the line. Im sure there were future contracts already discussed when both players signed these deals. next year alone when they move backes and a 5th to ottawa (similar to lightning) that gives the bruins money to give guys. the cap is also supposed to increase significantly with a new tv deal in the next few years. This is perfect cap management.


What assets would you have to give up though? Miller? I realize they’ll have room after this deal is up my point is that McAvoy will get paid like a top tier defenseman at that point.
Sep. 17, 2019 at 10:19 a.m.
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A Miller trade gives them 7.9. Everyone keeps talking about how this deal is fine because he loves it here and he’ll sign a team friendly deal in 3 years, so if that’s not the case they’re really screwed.


How are they screwed if he doesn’t sign a team friendly deal?
Sep. 17, 2019 at 10:25 a.m.
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How are they screwed if he doesn’t sign a team friendly deal?


Less $ to spend on washed up 30yo forwards
Sep. 17, 2019 at 10:51 a.m.
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What assets would you have to give up though? Miller? I realize they’ll have room after this deal is up my point is that McAvoy will get paid like a top tier defenseman at that point.


if we had kevan miller for the cup run Bruins win the cup. he could have matched the blues physicallity. Depth Dmen are a valueable commodity. we were using steven kampfer in games. so yeah thats valuable. And to move backes would have been a significant pick this year or a lesser pick and a prospect. those are assets. Toronto moved a 1st this year to dump marleau. Thats significant.
Sep. 17, 2019 at 10:55 a.m.
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Less $ to spend on washed up 30yo forwards


That equates to screwed? Yikes. Drama queen.
Sep. 17, 2019 at 10:56 a.m.
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if we had kevan miller for the cup run Bruins win the cup. he could have matched the blues physicallity. Depth Dmen are a valueable commodity. we were using steven kampfer in games. so yeah thats valuable. And to move backes would have been a significant pick this year or a lesser pick and a prospect. those are assets. Toronto moved a 1st this year to dump marleau. Thats significant.


Holding onto your 9th defenseman because you lost game 7 instead of signing the young #1D is not perfect cap management, it's sacrificing the long term for the short term. I'm not advocating giving up an asset to move Backes but if they're going all in and signing bridge deals it would make more sense.
Sep. 17, 2019 at 10:58 a.m.
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That equates to screwed? Yikes. Drama queen.


I mean it was pretty clearly a joke but yeah I don't think having to pay full value for McAvoy in three years is a good idea when you had the availability to get something done this off season.
Sep. 17, 2019 at 11:42 a.m.
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Holding onto your 9th defenseman because you lost game 7 instead of signing the young #1D is not perfect cap management, it's sacrificing the long term for the short term. I'm not advocating giving up an asset to move Backes but if they're going all in and signing bridge deals it would make more sense.


miller was our 5th/6th defenseman. his contribution to the playoffs would have been invaluable.
 
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