Quoting: moli92
tbh i dont really like the kuch comparable so idk why you brought that up cause its a different situation (kuch was older and was comping off of a bridge deal, plus different tax rates), but if you take out marners complete overpayment and look at Aho, Draisaitl, Kuznetsov, etc you will see that they all signed for 10.37%, 11.33%, and 10.4% of the cap. all of these players were at or near a point per game pace before they signed their deals (and Drai and Kuz did that in a time before scoring went up). last season over 30 players were at or over a point per game which accounts for the difference in offensive production. If we average out the cap hit % from that group its 10.7%, which would give an AAV of 8.72M. Even if we use the higher % of cap from that group and use 11.33% of 81.5M we get 9.23M AAV. Nowhere near Marners absurd overpayment of 10.893M (13.37% of the cap)
plus on top of that Aho, Drai, and Kuz are all centres which are paid more than wingers in general too. just goes to show how bad marners deal really is
Kucherov was mentioned above. Simply used it as a reference.
You can't pick and choose your comparables. Do we not agree players use other players contracts as justification? If Marner was worth 10M to Toronto, Keller is worth 7.15M to Arizona, Meier 6M to San Jose, Rantanen has the right to believe he is worth in the 10M range based on his production in comparsion to those players.
And I get the fact that wingers generally make less than centers but there is a limit to that. Panarin, Ovechkin, Kane, Benn, Stone are all examples of wingers getting paid more than some centers of equal scoring prowess despite a less hard position to play.
Im not saying Colorado HAS to pay Rantanen, in fact they would be wise to wait for Point and Tkachuk to get done to hopefully bring down those comparable numbers. But you can't argue Marner isn't a comparable right now. Being overpaid is not factor of being comparable or not. Production/age/line mates/etc is.
Marne's contract gave more leverage to the other RFA's whether you like it or not. Whether those teams have accept that is their choice. They can say no if they want.