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Team: 2019-20 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 19, 2019
Published: Sep. 19, 2019
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8$9,500,000
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$81,500,000$74,584,761$0$3,532,500$6,915,239
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C
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
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UFA - 4
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
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UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
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UFA - 3
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
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$2,850,000$2,850,000
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UFA - 2
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,975,000$1,975,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$885,833$885,833 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C
UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
C
RFA - 1
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UFA - 6
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$850,000$850,000
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UFA - 1
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$3,450,000$3,450,000
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UFA - 2
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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$3,333,333$3,333,333
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UFA - 2
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
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UFA - 1
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RD
UFA - 2
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$950,000$950,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,450,000$1,450,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$1,375,000$1,375,000
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UFA - 1
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$735,000$735,000
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$728,333$728,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
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UFA - 1

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Sep. 19, 2019 at 11:40 p.m.
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Will be hard for him to accept that after what Marner just got... He posted 2 high 80 point seasons back to back and more goals than Marner. 10.5 x 8 is more likely but even still that's less than Marner. Hope for the Avs sake he signs soon.
Sep. 20, 2019 at 12:08 a.m.
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Will be hard for him to accept that after what Marner just got... He posted 2 high 80 point seasons back to back and more goals than Marner. 10.5 x 8 is more likely but even still that's less than Marner. Hope for the Avs sake he signs soon.


Think it’s going to cost more than 10.5 for 8.
Sep. 20, 2019 at 12:11 a.m.
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Quoting: TMLBRIAN
Will be hard for him to accept that after what Marner just got... He posted 2 high 80 point seasons back to back and more goals than Marner. 10.5 x 8 is more likely but even still that's less than Marner. Hope for the Avs sake he signs soon.


Well Kucherov took that and he's better than the two of them combined....
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Sep. 20, 2019 at 9:31 a.m.
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Will be hard for him to accept that after what Marner just got... He posted 2 high 80 point seasons back to back and more goals than Marner. 10.5 x 8 is more likely but even still that's less than Marner. Hope for the Avs sake he signs soon.


Who cares what Marner got. Just because dubas overpays his players doesn't mean Sakic has to overpay his
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Sep. 20, 2019 at 9:55 a.m.
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Who cares what Marner got. Just because dubas overpays his players doesn't mean Sakic has to overpay his


And just because Kucherov took a discount to make it work with the team, doesn't mean Rantanen has to. Whats your point?
Sep. 20, 2019 at 10:45 a.m.
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And just because Kucherov took a discount to make it work with the team, doesn't mean Rantanen has to. Whats your point?


9.5 isn't a discount for Rantanen. Kuch is wayyyy better and Rantanen could be paid the same
Sep. 20, 2019 at 11:02 a.m.
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9.5 isn't a discount for Rantanen. Kuch is wayyyy better and Rantanen could be paid the same


Well if we're being honest, Rantanen hasn't been given the same chance yet. He was putting up 80+ point seasons before Kucherov had at the same age.....

Tampa also has no state tax where as Colorado does. Throw in inflation and the fact that this year RFA's are staking their claim for higher pays right out of the gate instead of when they're older, 10M isn't a stretch at all. He deserves as much as Marner does. If he wants to take a little less, fine but I think he'd be in his full right to expect to make over 10M a year. Unless its a short term bridge contract.
Sep. 20, 2019 at 11:52 a.m.
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Well if we're being honest, Rantanen hasn't been given the same chance yet. He was putting up 80+ point seasons before Kucherov had at the same age.....

Tampa also has no state tax where as Colorado does. Throw in inflation and the fact that this year RFA's are staking their claim for higher pays right out of the gate instead of when they're older, 10M isn't a stretch at all. He deserves as much as Marner does. If he wants to take a little less, fine but I think he'd be in his full right to expect to make over 10M a year. Unless its a short term bridge contract.


tbh i dont really like the kuch comparable so idk why you brought that up cause its a different situation (kuch was older and was comping off of a bridge deal, plus different tax rates), but if you take out marners complete overpayment and look at Aho, Draisaitl, Kuznetsov, etc you will see that they all signed for 10.37%, 11.33%, and 10.4% of the cap. all of these players were at or near a point per game pace before they signed their deals (and Drai and Kuz did that in a time before scoring went up). last season over 30 players were at or over a point per game which accounts for the difference in offensive production. If we average out the cap hit % from that group its 10.7%, which would give an AAV of 8.72M. Even if we use the higher % of cap from that group and use 11.33% of 81.5M we get 9.23M AAV. Nowhere near Marners absurd overpayment of 10.893M (13.37% of the cap)

plus on top of that Aho, Drai, and Kuz are all centres which are paid more than wingers in general too. just goes to show how bad marners deal really is
Sep. 20, 2019 at 12:36 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
Well if we're being honest, Rantanen hasn't been given the same chance yet. He was putting up 80+ point seasons before Kucherov had at the same age.....

Tampa also has no state tax where as Colorado does. Throw in inflation and the fact that this year RFA's are staking their claim for higher pays right out of the gate instead of when they're older, 10M isn't a stretch at all. He deserves as much as Marner does. If he wants to take a little less, fine but I think he'd be in his full right to expect to make over 10M a year. Unless its a short term bridge contract.


Dude Rantanen has been on the top line with Mak and Land for 2 straight sessons what do you mean he hasnt had the chance lol.

Marner is worth 9.5m at most
Rantenan is worth 9.5m at most.
Dubas over paid Nylander. He over paid Matthews. He was forced to over pay Marner because of those mistakes. Using Marner as an example is not a good idea. Now stop blowing up my feed with your nonsense.
Sep. 20, 2019 at 12:53 p.m.
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Dude Rantanen has been on the top line with Mak and Land for 2 straight sessons what do you mean he hasnt had the chance lol.

Marner is worth 9.5m at most
Rantenan is worth 9.5m at most.
Dubas over paid Nylander. He over paid Matthews. He was forced to over pay Marner because of those mistakes. Using Marner as an example is not a good idea. Now stop blowing up my feed with your nonsense.


I think you misunderstood what I meant. In comparison to Kucherov being "better". Rantanen hasn't been given the same time to show he is as good as Kucherov yet. (Due to age and experience) Not quality of players.

As for your feed, you can stick that where the sun don't shine because this is a forum! Seeing as your to illogical to see things from all perspectives before commenting:

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Don't like it, too bad.
Sep. 20, 2019 at 1:14 p.m.
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tbh i dont really like the kuch comparable so idk why you brought that up cause its a different situation (kuch was older and was comping off of a bridge deal, plus different tax rates), but if you take out marners complete overpayment and look at Aho, Draisaitl, Kuznetsov, etc you will see that they all signed for 10.37%, 11.33%, and 10.4% of the cap. all of these players were at or near a point per game pace before they signed their deals (and Drai and Kuz did that in a time before scoring went up). last season over 30 players were at or over a point per game which accounts for the difference in offensive production. If we average out the cap hit % from that group its 10.7%, which would give an AAV of 8.72M. Even if we use the higher % of cap from that group and use 11.33% of 81.5M we get 9.23M AAV. Nowhere near Marners absurd overpayment of 10.893M (13.37% of the cap)

plus on top of that Aho, Drai, and Kuz are all centres which are paid more than wingers in general too. just goes to show how bad marners deal really is


Kucherov was mentioned above. Simply used it as a reference.

You can't pick and choose your comparables. Do we not agree players use other players contracts as justification? If Marner was worth 10M to Toronto, Keller is worth 7.15M to Arizona, Meier 6M to San Jose, Rantanen has the right to believe he is worth in the 10M range based on his production in comparsion to those players.

And I get the fact that wingers generally make less than centers but there is a limit to that. Panarin, Ovechkin, Kane, Benn, Stone are all examples of wingers getting paid more than some centers of equal scoring prowess despite a less hard position to play.

Im not saying Colorado HAS to pay Rantanen, in fact they would be wise to wait for Point and Tkachuk to get done to hopefully bring down those comparable numbers. But you can't argue Marner isn't a comparable right now. Being overpaid is not factor of being comparable or not. Production/age/line mates/etc is.

Marne's contract gave more leverage to the other RFA's whether you like it or not. Whether those teams have accept that is their choice. They can say no if they want.
Sep. 20, 2019 at 1:19 p.m.
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I think you misunderstood what I meant. In comparison to Kucherov being "better". Rantanen hasn't been given the same time to show he is as good as Kucherov yet. (Due to age and experience) Not quality of players.

As for your feed, you can stick that where the sun don't shine because this is a forum! Seeing as your to illogical to see things from all perspectives before commenting:

Forum: a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

Don't like it, too bad.


Your smarts makes you so much more respectable.
Sep. 20, 2019 at 1:31 p.m.
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Your smarts makes you so much more respectable.


WELL YOU CAN GO FU..............................oh.......................... That was not what I expected......... I...I don't know what to do now.......... CF has not trained me for times like these.....

Yeah... well..... you're a pretty cool too.... I guess. awesome face
Sep. 20, 2019 at 1:46 p.m.
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WELL YOU CAN GO FU..............................oh.......................... That was not what I expected......... I...I don't know what to do now.......... CF has not trained me for times like these.....

Yeah... well..... you're a pretty cool too.... I guess. awesome face


CF "forums" always have happy endings.
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