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Brayden Point

Created by: moli92
Initial Creation Date: Sep 21, 2019
Published: Sep 21 at 9:23 am
Team: 2019-20 Colorado Avalanche
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Rantanen, Mikko7$9,600,000
Point, Brayden3$7,000,000
Trades
COL
  1. Point, Brayden [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Point signs extension as part of the trade
TBL
  1. Byram, Bowen
  2. Jost, Tyson
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
18 yo 4th overall pick
21 year old 10th overall pick
2nd rounder
Buyouts
  • Brooks Orpik: $1,500,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Tyson Barrie: $2,750,000 (50%)
Buried
  • Mark Barberio: $375,000 ($1,450,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
COL
TOR
COL
COL
FLA
COL
2021
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
2022
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$80,523,928$0$2,682,500$976,072
Left WingCenterRight Wing
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
$5,571,429
LW
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
$6,300,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
$9,600,000
RW
UFA - 6
COL
Burakovsky, André
$3,250,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
COL
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
Point, Brayden
$7,000,000
C, RW
RFA - 3
COL
Wilson, Colin
$2,600,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
COL
Compher, J.T.
$3,500,000
RW, C
UFA - 4
COL
Donskoi, Joonas
$3,900,000
RW
UFA - 4
COL
Calvert, Matt
$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
COL
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
$1,800,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
COL
Nieto, Matt
$1,975,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
COL
Girard, Samuel
$728,333
LD
UFA - 1
COL
Makar, Cale
$880,833
RD
RFA - 2
COL
Grubauer, Philipp
$3,333,333
G
UFA - 2
COL
Cole, Ian
$4,250,000
LD
UFA - 2
COL
Johnson, Erik
$6,000,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
COL
Francouz, Pavel
$950,000
G
UFA - 1
COL
Zadorov, Nikita
$3,200,000
LD
RFA - 1
COL
Graves, Ryan
$735,000
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
COL
Connauton, Kevin
$1,375,000
LD
UFA - 1
COL
Nichushkin, Valeri
$850,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
COL
Kamenev, Vladislav
$750,000
C
RFA - 1

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Sep 21 at 9:40
#1
bhavikp27
Joined: Jun 2016
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COL is stupid to trade Byram
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Sep 21 at 9:43
#2
Go Wings Go
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 16,444
Likes: 1,863
Point isn't going to sign for less to play in Colorado then Tampa, He'll take 3 x 7 from Tampa before Colorado just due to the tax structure here in Florida.
Sep 21 at 9:49
#3
exo2769
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 5,049
Likes: 1,245
Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Point isn't going to sign for less to play in Colorado then Tampa, He'll take 3 x 7 from Tampa before Colorado just due to the tax structure here in Florida.


It's not THAT big a difference. $7M a year...state taxes only apply for the state you PLAY in...yes that means most players have to file for 20+ states a year. So now $3.5M since half the games are home games. 4.6% of that is $161k. Yes, that's DEFINITELY real money, but it's not even close to a quarter mil, let alone millions.
Sep 21 at 10:15
#4
Go Wings Go
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 16,444
Likes: 1,863
Quoting: exo2769
It's not THAT big a difference. $7M a year...state taxes only apply for the state you PLAY in...yes that means most players have to file for 20+ states a year. So now $3.5M since half the games are home games. 4.6% of that is $161k. Yes, that's DEFINITELY real money, but it's not even close to a quarter mil, let alone millions.


He still wants more to play in Tampa, And like i said he's not taking less to play in Colorado. That's the bottom line.
Sep 21 at 10:28
#5
MisstheWhalers
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 5,499
Likes: 1,706
Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
He still wants more to play in Tampa, And like i said he's not taking less to play in Colorado. That's the bottom line.


That may be true but he would have a better chance to win a cup with Colorado then he would Tampa.
Sep 21 at 10:49
#6
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 5,987
Likes: 1,064
Quoting: MisstheWhalers
That may be true but he would have a better chance to win a cup with Colorado then he would Tampa.


Lol WHAT?
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Sep 21 at 10:59
#7
MisstheWhalers
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 5,499
Likes: 1,706
Quoting: Turner33
Lol WHAT?


Adding Point to what the Avs have would make them a powerhouse and Tampa is getting stale, they really need to look at reshaping that lineup a bit, it isn't built for the playoffs.
Sep 21 at 11:05
#8
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 2,693
Likes: 789
Quoting: MisstheWhalers
That may be true but he would have a better chance to win a cup with Colorado then he would Tampa.


What?!?

Tampa ****ed up in the playoffs last year but they're still the best team in the league.
Sep 21 at 11:07
#9
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Adding Point to what the Avs have would make them a powerhouse and Tampa is getting stale, they really need to look at reshaping that lineup a bit, it isn't built for the playoffs.


They have one of the best two goalies in the league vs a guy who has looked like a pretty good backup who hasn't proved himself as a starter.

There is also no comparison in their d Corps. The forwards are even better in Tampa.
Sep 21 at 11:09
#10
Joined: May 2015
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Adding Point to what the Avs have would make them a powerhouse and Tampa is getting stale, they really need to look at reshaping that lineup a bit, it isn't built for the playoffs.


Also how are they not built to win in the playoffs? Over the last 5 years they've been to the Conference finals twice and and Stanley Cup finals once. They missed the playoffs one year when they had a tonne of injuries. Last year was the only time they did bad in playoffs...
Sep 21 at 11:10
#11
MisstheWhalers
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 5,499
Likes: 1,706
Quoting: BCAPP
What?!?

Tampa ****ed up in the playoffs last year but they're still the best team in the league.


Best team in the league that can't get it done, like I said that roster is stale, needs some change.
There's Bolts fans on here saying the same thing.
Sep 21 at 11:11
#12
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 2,693
Likes: 789
Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Best team in the league that can't get it done, like I said that roster is stale, needs some change.
There's Bolts fans on here saying the same thing.


So there are stupid bolts fans. Heres an idea. Don't over react to one 4 game series...
Sep 21 at 11:44
#13
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 951
Likes: 257
Quoting: MisstheWhalers
That may be true but he would have a better chance to win a cup with Colorado then he would Tampa.


No he wouldn't. Tampa is the best team in the league. Besides, if they're giving up Byram and Jost those odds of winning a cup in Colorado decrease, a lot of the hype is based around the future with Byram and Makar on D.
Sep 21 at 12:02
#14
MisstheWhalers
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 5,499
Likes: 1,706
Quoting: NR1203
No he wouldn't. Tampa is the best team in the league. Besides, if they're giving up Byram and Jost those odds of winning a cup in Colorado decrease, a lot of the hype is based around the future with Byram and Makar on D.


The Avs defense is already pretty solid without Byram and Jost is basically a 3rd liner, adding Point to the Avs would definitely make them a contender if they aren't already, TB is stronger in goal though for sure.
Sep 21 at 1:01
#15
BOLT LOVER
Joined: Dec 2018
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Let's cool the jets with Colorado and Cup in same sentence.. they years away .. Tampas time is NOW although lack of leadership and balls has been why they haven't won to date.. losing TWO conference finals with 3 to 2 leads is disaster ... last years playoff disaster was influenced by the Conference Finals losses ... ownership should have cleaned house some last 2 years .. instead they extended Gourde .. a joke .. but Colorado COULD be Cup team but it years away
Sep 21 at 2:08
#16
Go Boltz! & Go Avs!
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 226
Likes: 51
Quoting: BCAPP
So there are stupid bolts fans. Heres an idea. Don't over react to one 4 game series...


Everything what you said is true in this topic BCAPP, thanks for your comments. applaud cheers

I'm a huge Tampa fan (& AVS fan from this yearWinking with Tongue Out ).
MisstheWhalers, believe me, that playoffs loss was shocking, and noone will get through it, until next playoffs probably. It's impossible...
Hedman's said in an interview couple of days ago, the loss vs Chicago Blackhawks still hurts in the Stanley-Cup finals, and i agree with him.cry
Fans are always living in the moment and the disastrous playoffs perfomance is fresh in their minds. So they OVERREACT.Very Angry
Now we know more about the playoffs loss ( Hedman,Point!!! + others were injured, Kuch suspension(MVP) etc...).
Just imagine Doughty+Kopitar getting injured before playoffs started, when Los Angeles Kings won the cup. Are you really sure they still win those 2 cups without those guys?

That loss vs Columbus Blue Jackets was against a team who went allin with multiple solid players signed for expensive assets at trade deadline(and they clicked at the perfect time) + they tried hard for their first playoffs win ever... even if we win in that series... we lose in the next rounds. Only 1 team can win the cup each year, doesn't matter if we are more stacked than any other team.
We can lose any series. I've just seen a model couple weeks ago, which predicted 60-40% chances in the TBL vs CBJ series...
So some advanced stats guy almost got it right. 40% is huge... CBJ had good chance to advance. CBJ = strong team for years...
Yes, for general public it looked liked, uhhh 62 wins, Tampa is in the 2nd round by deafult.... guess what... it's not working like that... never underestimate your opponent... i hope everyone in Tampa learned it for the next years...

NHL = all teams are super close who makes the playoffs most of the time.
NBA = completely different story...
You need a ton of luck... Like the refs forget their whistles in the playoffs(we had in 4 games only like 10 powerplays, they had like 15+...) and our success depended a lot on the powerplay... I can list 100 other things which contributed to the playoffs loss... But that doesn't matter now, so i won't.(handpass in other playoffs series = new rule change). So refs are a thing... You need to get lucky with them...
If next year we will have a weak playoffs = expect bigger changes, but 1 bad series: not the end of the world...

So yes, MisstheWhalers, we needed some small changes, and our GM+coach did it with multiple changes in the lineup + tactics for the new season...
(defensive minded approach from 2019/2020 season from coaching staff + players, old defenders gone(like Girardi), Erne,lazy JT Miller gone, new backup goalie, Shatty,Maroon,Verheaghe? in etc...)
And the roster also can change midseason or trade deadline as well, if they'll see it's neccesary...(trade for Kreider, Hamonic, Faulk, Pulju... or other solid players). Remember the McDonagh trade?

About the trade in this topic:
Point stays in Tampa, he is an RFA. His only chance to play in other team= sitout whole year = never happening.
He likes everything in Tampa... Before Dec.1 he will sign any contract, otherwise he loses money...
RFA's in this league has no power, if the GM is good.
Looks like Sakic is good too = negotiating until the end...nod
Look what Boston achieved with McAvoy + Pastrnak + others.
Good contracts = the key for long term success... Buyouts are bad... Giving up 1st round picks for getting rid of bad contracts = bad.(marleau + toronto)
You can't pay 10 million $ or more for players when the cap is only 81.5 mill $, even if the players are demanding those kind of contracts...
So that's what you see with the remaining RFA's... Negotiating.... until they sign a good deal for the team...
Currently:
Rantanen = long term deal(6 years), close to 8.5 million $ it looks like...
Point = short term bridge deal(3 years), close to 6 million $...
Even if these offers are going up a little bit at end, still both will be way under 10 mill $ = good GM's.


Just in case you wonder about what BriseBois's answer would be to that Point for Byram offer: Hard no.
When you want to aquire a player like Point: You need to overpay... a lot... not a fair deal at all... HUGE OVERPAY... not 2nd round pick value of assests... if he will have a 60-70 points season next year, his value will go down... but for now it's sky high...

Let me remind you: 4!!!! 1st round pick = offersheet and we are still matching that 99%... = declined offer(except if you're ottawa and almost guaranteed all top10 picks, then it's worth to think about matching or not). I'm talking here about real offersheets(still a myth), not a joke one, like Aho received...
 
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