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Tyler Johnson

Created by: Oilyboy
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 22, 2019
Published: Sep. 22, 2019
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Assuming Pulju can be signed for about 1million this season and Gagner is sent to the minors unless injuries hit, will save TB about 2 million this season to sign Point to the Marner number he can demand.
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  1. Gagner, Sam
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
  3. 2020 4th round pick (EDM)
  4. 2021 1st round pick (EDM)
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23$81,500,000$80,333,665$0$1,750,000$1,166,335
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LW
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
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LW, C
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, C
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$2,150,000$2,150,000
RW
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
LW, C
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LD
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$2,000,000$2,000,000 (Performance Bonus$1,750,000$2M)
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$1,900,000$1,900,000
RD
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$741,666$741,666
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C
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Sep. 22, 2019 at 10:26 p.m.
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with a full NTC Johnson just said hell no. Why would he want to leave a tax haven especially to go to a tire fire.
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Sep. 22, 2019 at 10:26 p.m.
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Can't help but feel that there are less significant pieces Tampa could move to afford Point, and if TJ was the piece they needed to move, there's bound to be a better package out there.
Sep. 22, 2019 at 10:30 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Can't help but feel that there are less significant pieces Tampa could move to afford Point, and if TJ was the piece they needed to move, there's bound to be a better package out there.


any team on TB with a NTC probably took less to play there for the tax break. And hence they aren't letting the team trade them. You are talking about real money out their pocket.
It's a double edge sword when you play that game. You use it to your advantage and ask people to take less, so don't even bother asking for them to waive it in order to pay someone else.
Only way they move cap is on a player with no clauses.
Sep. 22, 2019 at 10:46 p.m.
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any team on TB with a NTC probably took less to play there for the tax break. And hence they aren't letting the team trade them. You are talking about real money out their pocket.
It's a double edge sword when you play that game. You use it to your advantage and ask people to take less, so don't even bother asking for them to waive it in order to pay someone else.
Only way they move cap is on a player with no clauses.


There's been a lot of literature that shows the state tax difference between Tampa and Toronto (for example) is roughly $15k per $1M. It matters a lot less for any player making over $2M, and it's getting incredibly obnoxious when it's presented as substantial enough evidence by an armchair GM for a player to not waive a NMC/NTC or for a team to free up cap space. Names like Johnson, Killorn, or Palat make enough money that fighting over the sub-100k they'd lose out on by not playing in Tampa is not why they wouldn't waive their NTC. The want to play for another team and uproot their family takes supreme precedence in regards to that decision.

All Tampa would have to do today is assign Rutta to the minors and waive Schenn (assuming Witkowski stays as he can play wing or defence) and they can nearly afford the Marner deal. They're out by a couple hundred thousand dollars. They aren't in a dire situation right now.
Sep. 22, 2019 at 11:23 p.m.
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At the end of the Wings game tonight Detroit's the Wing's on air broadcasters and some reporters were talking who had a good draft and they were pretty high on Hollands draft. Just thought I'd share that with the Edmonton fans.
Sep. 23, 2019 at 1:10 a.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
There's been a lot of literature that shows the state tax difference between Tampa and Toronto (for example) is roughly $15k per $1M. It matters a lot less for any player making over $2M, and it's getting incredibly obnoxious when it's presented as substantial enough evidence by an armchair GM for a player to not waive a NMC/NTC or for a team to free up cap space. Names like Johnson, Killorn, or Palat make enough money that fighting over the sub-100k they'd lose out on by not playing in Tampa is not why they wouldn't waive their NTC. The want to play for another team and uproot their family takes supreme precedence in regards to that decision.

All Tampa would have to do today is assign Rutta to the minors and waive Schenn (assuming Witkowski stays as he can play wing or defence) and they can nearly afford the Marner deal. They're out by a couple hundred thousand dollars. They aren't in a dire situation right now.


that is absolutely hog wash.
The tax in Toronto is like 50%
In FL it's low 40%.

I don't know where you get this stuff from.

That's why players are willing to take less to play there. But demand the NTC on the contract.
It's also why players live in places like FL so their signing bonus gets taxed their instead of NY or Toronto.
These are facts.
Sep. 23, 2019 at 3:07 a.m.
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that is absolutely hog wash.
The tax in Toronto is like 50%
In FL it's low 40%.

I don't know where you get this stuff from.

That's why players are willing to take less to play there. But demand the NTC on the contract.
It's also why players live in places like FL so their signing bonus gets taxed their instead of NY or Toronto.
These are facts.


https://theleafsnation.com/2019/06/25/the-supposed-toronto-tax-disadvantage-is-overblown-and-a-waste-of-everyones-time/

https://oilersnation.com/2018/07/10/comparing-nhl-player-contracts-based-on-city/

Your facts are more like opinion pieces but cool, keep believing what you want. I know the example in that article uses Vegas > Tampa, but the lack fo a state tax still applies. Looking directly at a Tampa-Toronto comparison, there's a 14.3% difference in tax rates. My mistake, I missed a zero on the $15k, the total difference on a $1M salary from top bracket to lowest is $150k.

If guys were signing deals with NTCs exclusively to play in areas they could maximize their dollars earned, you'd see more modified NTC deals with places like Vegas, Dallas, and Florida exempt from the NTC. Full NTC deals are signed because a player doesn't want to be flipped to a cold, barren market like Edmonton or Winnipeg as a cap casualty, ESPECIALLY if that player has a family and they have an established place in the community.

Suggesting that some meathead - who's only skill in life is to skate and push a puck up the ice with a length of composite material - is concerned about the variation in tax rates per franchise when said meathead makes north of $5M per year is silly. Agents worry about that stuff, and even then, it's a minimal concern.
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Sep. 23, 2019 at 10:05 a.m.
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Zero chance of Tyler Johnson waiving his full NTC for Edmonton, He'd waive for a contender not pretender.
Sep. 23, 2019 at 1:27 p.m.
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This year: No chance he is waiving his NTC. Next year = unknown.
Maybe if Edmonton has a good year, and TJ has a bad one. But right now : 0% chance of this happening.

BeterChiarelli: Good stuff. You've got a "Point" there. Just like what we achieved recently with "Point". (6.7 mill $ @ 3 years) Winking with Tongue Out
Sep. 23, 2019 at 4:18 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
https://theleafsnation.com/2019/06/25/the-supposed-toronto-tax-disadvantage-is-overblown-and-a-waste-of-everyones-time/

https://oilersnation.com/2018/07/10/comparing-nhl-player-contracts-based-on-city/

Your facts are more like opinion pieces but cool, keep believing what you want. I know the example in that article uses Vegas > Tampa, but the lack fo a state tax still applies. Looking directly at a Tampa-Toronto comparison, there's a 14.3% difference in tax rates. My mistake, I missed a zero on the $15k, the total difference on a $1M salary from top bracket to lowest is $150k.

If guys were signing deals with NTCs exclusively to play in areas they could maximize their dollars earned, you'd see more modified NTC deals with places like Vegas, Dallas, and Florida exempt from the NTC. Full NTC deals are signed because a player doesn't want to be flipped to a cold, barren market like Edmonton or Winnipeg as a cap casualty, ESPECIALLY if that player has a family and they have an established place in the community.

Suggesting that some meathead - who's only skill in life is to skate and push a puck up the ice with a length of composite material - is concerned about the variation in tax rates per franchise when said meathead makes north of $5M per year is silly. Agents worry about that stuff, and even then, it's a minimal concern.


dude when you get your tax info from this mess you should just stop.
Please learn where to go for tax information.
Try places like https://www2.deloitte.com and you will clearly see what hog wash you are talking.
Sep. 23, 2019 at 4:22 p.m.
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dude when you get your tax info from this mess you should just stop.
Please learn where to go for tax information.
Try places like https://www2.deloitte.com and you will clearly see what hog wash you are talking.


Does it make you feel like a better person when you link incorrect and/or overcomplicated sources as opposed to digestible material directly related to the topic at hand?

The Oilersnation article is a direct comparison based on the return on a $9.5M contract. Just because you got made to look like an asshole online doesnt mean you need to keep the act up afterwards ?
Sep. 23, 2019 at 4:29 p.m.
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Does it make you feel like a better person when you link incorrect and/or overcomplicated sources as opposed to digestible material directly related to the topic at hand?

The Oilersnation article is a direct comparison based on the return on a $9.5M contract. Just because you got made to look like an asshole online doesnt mean you need to keep the act up afterwards ?


incorrect?
A leading global tax information firm that is considered a bedrock in the tax industry is incorrect?
"over complicated" yes kid taxes are somewhat complicated.

I mean honestly, please, use credible information. Know what you are talking about before yapping off.
My advice to you is to bookmark that site and read through it, very well. Learn to understand it. Maybe it will help you change the way you look at the world when you finally start to understand how it all works. Because that right there is a gold star tax site. Everyone who knows anything about taxation knows that site and most use it because of the excellent information it provides.
Unlike you I don't get my tax info from some sports journalist who knows piss all about taxation.

If you actually looked at it you would know, TB city pays no city income tax. The state of FL has no income tax, and there is no county income tax in FL.
Which means he only pays a federal tax there at 37%.

Please, please for the love of god, tell anyone in canada about paying only 37% taxes on millions in straight salary.
Go on with that argument so I can just laugh at you.
Sep. 23, 2019 at 4:39 p.m.
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I'm an asshole


So you're saying that the guy who runs capfriendly is wrong? It's his chart. Do you immediately assume "oh it's a hockey blog, it must be wrong"? Are you suggesting Ryan Lake - a professor or sports law - must be wrong because he was quoted in a sports article?

I dont need the gold standard of taxation websites to see that theres a 14.1% difference in tax rates between Tampa and Toronto. As a fan, I want succinct, digestible knowledge that makes sense in the context it's needed in. Flaunting your epeen because you can read up on taxes better than the next guy is ridiculous. There isnt a damn thing wrong with the links I provided given the context of Tyler Johnson's contract and that the difference literally boils down to less than what he would blow in a good weekend per million dollars.

All you've done is emphasize the fact that you are an ass. Take the tax documents off of your bookmarks bar and go for a walk. Maybe reread the links I provided and follow up on their source material instead of asking people to go digging through your favourite website to find the intricate details you happened to stumble upon once.
Sep. 23, 2019 at 5:48 p.m.
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So you're saying that the guy who runs capfriendly is wrong? It's his chart. Do you immediately assume "oh it's a hockey blog, it must be wrong"? Are you suggesting Ryan Lake - a professor or sports law - must be wrong because he was quoted in a sports article?

I dont need the gold standard of taxation websites to see that theres a 14.1% difference in tax rates between Tampa and Toronto. As a fan, I want succinct, digestible knowledge that makes sense in the context it's needed in. Flaunting your epeen because you can read up on taxes better than the next guy is ridiculous. There isnt a damn thing wrong with the links I provided given the context of Tyler Johnson's contract and that the difference literally boils down to less than what he would blow in a good weekend per million dollars.

All you've done is emphasize the fact that you are an ass. Take the tax documents off of your bookmarks bar and go for a walk. Maybe reread the links I provided and follow up on their source material instead of asking people to go digging through your favourite website to find the intricate details you happened to stumble upon once.


I'm saying anyone with basic reading knowledge of the English language above the 5th grade level, and preschool level match can clearly see people in Canada paying well more than 37% taxes.
But go on......... you keep explaining how they aren't.
Sep. 23, 2019 at 5:51 p.m.
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So you're saying that the guy who runs capfriendly is wrong? It's his chart. Do you immediately assume "oh it's a hockey blog, it must be wrong"? Are you suggesting Ryan Lake - a professor or sports law - must be wrong because he was quoted in a sports article?

I dont need the gold standard of taxation websites to see that theres a 14.1% difference in tax rates between Tampa and Toronto. As a fan, I want succinct, digestible knowledge that makes sense in the context it's needed in. Flaunting your epeen because you can read up on taxes better than the next guy is ridiculous. There isnt a damn thing wrong with the links I provided given the context of Tyler Johnson's contract and that the difference literally boils down to less than what he would blow in a good weekend per million dollars.

All you've done is emphasize the fact that you are an ass. Take the tax documents off of your bookmarks bar and go for a walk. Maybe reread the links I provided and follow up on their source material instead of asking people to go digging through your favourite website to find the intricate details you happened to stumble upon once.


oh just so you know.
https://www.taxtips.ca/taxrates/ab.htm

Combined Federal & Alberta Tax Brackets and Tax Rates

over $314,928 48.0%

but you know, Clearly 48% is less than 37%.. you know. It's that funny new math.
 
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