The fact that you have close to a Laine for Risto 1 for 1 deal is stupid. Risto was almost worse in his own end than laine. Try taking off the Jets 2nd rounder, add cozens and a 2nd on buf side. It still doesn’t get accepted by Winnipeg. I hope you realize laine won’t be going anywhere unless the package offered for him is ridiculous and makes wpg say yes.

I hate all these trades.

The ‘Canes think about this, but ultimately pass. I honesty believe they are content with playing out the Faulk scenario to the TDL unless they get a good young player or a package of picks. They’ve shown (Ferland last year) they are ok with using a UFA guy as an internal rental.

I feel that too but I mean they are veryyy deep at defense. Faulk could end up on the third pairing and with young guys pushing I feel like he could get traded. And a first rounder for Faulk is very good imo

You have to think of it like this:

If wpg makes a stupid laine trade just because Buff is out they might as well just fold as a team. That would be the dumbest trade. It would end up like hall for larsson.

Chevy isn’t an idiot, he has been patient and he’s sure as hell not gonna make some absolutely idiotic trade of of reaction to buff retiring.

If laine Even has a chance to be traded, the package is gonna have to be stupid good and basically force wpg to say yes.

I don’t think Faulk on the third pairing is an issue at all. He will eat PK mins and will rotate in on PP2. He will still be in the top 4 in defensive mins even on D3.

I think this discussion is pretty ridiculous, the Jets are potentially losing Buff which would make 4 of their top 6 defensemen from last season gone yet somehow Faulk and Ristolainen are gonna save the day for them??... ?

And yet in this panicked discussion of "they need to fix the defense" there's no thought of what the loss of Laine's goal production would do to the Jets, cause apparently goals are easy to find in the NHL these days.

The Ristolainen and Faulk trades as proposed here are both terrible for the Jets, these are the exact type of trades they should NOT do right now. Better to just go with what you got and see how it goes, maybe pick up someone off waivers or make a low cost trade for veteran depth guy like Scandella for a mid round pick but trading valuable assets for meh defensemen and UFA's is the worst move for the Jets right now, there's always next year and there's good defense prospects in the pipeline, no need to blow the bank for short term help.

Laine is worth more then a one dimensional Dman+2020 1st round pick. That's for sure.

I agree. Faulk for a 1st or Faulk for a prospect and a 2nd makes sense for the jets and Canes. Sure the Canes could wait for the TDL, but there is a risk of injury as the risk of losing him for nothing. They are deep at D and should jump on a deal to improve their prospect pool IMO

agreed. Probably one of the worst Laine deals Ive seen. Plus Risto sucks right? Nobody can tell me if he does or not

I agree with almost everything you say, but if the jets do lose Buf they dont have anyone to take that spot comfortably. Sure you can see what you have, but I think trading for Faulk makes sense for the right price. Prospect and a 2nd rounder based on him re-upping with the team on a long term deal. Faulk could slide in on the top 2 pairings, play PP and eat up 20 plus minutes.

I mean yeah he's a very good offensive Dman, But suck at D probably one of the worst +/- in the league. I myself wouldn't give up much for Risto.

Maybe the jets could get him, but at a much cheaper price and see what's up with him. Im in favor of players getting a "change of scenery" trade. New system, new city, new coach and teammates...who knows

How much is Faulk gonna cost in AAV?? Like the only benefit of Buff retiring is the cap space it frees up, depending on what Faulk he could possibly eat up almost all of that and there needs to be cap space for
Niku, Roslovic and Appleton next summer.

Would really depend on which prospect as well, wouldn't be giving any A-prospects for him, sorry I just don't see the fascination with getting Faulk.

I dont know what Faulk is worth, but you'd be getting a 27 year old dman so lets say a 5 year deal would most likely cost between 6-8 maybe? Jets do need to resign guys next year but Kulikov, Beaulieu and Brossoit will be off the books (probably bring LB back if they can) so that's 6.5 mill in cap space to sign those guys (not including the space their current contract takes up). Plus if the jets needed space they could always ship out Matty P. With one year left on his deal (after this year) he would be easy to move

Actually, Laine for 2 top 4 RHD is not that far off (if the BUF and CAR trades are combined and one presumes the Jets 1st will be among the last 20 and Buffalo's would be a lottery).
The combined Salaries of Faulk and Ristolainen would essentially equal to the projected Laine salary which gives Cheveldayoff cap space to sign Connor.
If Cheveldayoff wants to make the play off he could be very interested to replace Myers, Trouba and Buff.

No just no, Laine is worth a lot more than this LOL, don't even get @MisstheWhalers started on this. Everyone thinks he's worth jack sh*t but hes worth a lot still and Jets would be so stupid to trade him and in fact make any of these trades and they might as well fold as a team. All of these trades are awful asset management. They need to look towards next year. Just roll with what they have right now.

I do not want to get into a war of words here, I am not disagreeing merely offering a different point of view. None of know what goes into the decision making of GM's, but 2 top 4 RHD is not a terrible return, especially for a team that just lost 2 and maybe a third RHD.
Look at how little Betterall had to give up to get Skinner and Miller, a top 6 forward and a top 4 RHD only cost 2 seconds (does not even up up to a first). JT Miller on the other hand returned a first (why in God's name did Benning help out BriseBois). If Cheveldayoff wants to cut cap and add a couple of RHD he may make these moves, but as you correctly point out that is now how he operates.
I agree 100% that many GM's (my D***A**TimMurray for example) try to rebuild too fast, then others (Kekäläinen for example) see the window closing and go all in. From past experience Cheveldayoff, will not be trading Laine unless the offer is remarkable, but then Murray is not the Sabre's GM any more, so I do not see a trade with the Sabres in the Future.