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Laine or Connor

Created by: bwar
Initial Creation Date: Sep 23, 2019
Published: Sep 23, 2019 at 12:17 pm
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Team Explanation
How far out to lunch is this trade proposal?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Laine, Patrik7$7,000,000
Trades
EDM
  1. Laine, Patrik [RFA Rights]
WPG
  1. Nurse, Darnell
  2. Russell, Kris
Buyouts
  • Andrej Sekera: $2,500,000
  • Benoit Pouliot: $1,333,333
  • Eric Gryba: $300,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
  • Sam Gagner: $315,000 (10%)
Buried
  • Brandon Manning: $1,175,000 ($2,250,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
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EDM
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2021
EDM
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EDM
EDM
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PIT
EDM
2022
EDM
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EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$79,048,665$0$1,840,000$2,451,335
Left WingCenterRight Wing
Laine, Patrik
$7,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
EDM
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
UFA - 7
EDM
Kassian, Zack
$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Nygård, Joakim
$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 6
EDM
Chiasson, Alex
$2,150,000
RW
UFA - 2
EDM
Jurco, Tomas
$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
EDM
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$6,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
EDM
Neal, James
$5,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
EDM
Khaira, Jujhar
$1,200,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
EDM
Sheahan, Riley
$900,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
EDM
Archibald, Josh
$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Gagner, Sam
$2,835,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Granlund, Markus
$1,300,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
EDM
Klefbom, Oscar
$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 4
EDM
Persson, Joel
$1,000,000
RD
RFA - 1
EDM
Koskinen, Mikko
$4,500,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
EDM
Lagesson, William
$741,666
LD
RFA - 1
EDM
Larsson, Adam
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
EDM
Smith, Mike
$2,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
EDM
Jones, Caleb
$720,000
LD
RFA - 1
EDM
Benning, Matthew
$1,900,000
RD
RFA - 1
EDM
Bear, Ethan
$720,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
EDM
Brodziak, Kyle
$1,150,000
C
UFA - 1

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Sep 23, 2019 at 12:26
#1
M. Marincin Truther
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not even close. both laine and connor are better then RNH, i cant imagine you would trade RNH for a #4 defenseman and a bad contract
Sep 23, 2019 at 12:40
#2
alwaysnextyear
Joined: Jun 2015
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I like Nurse a lot, but Russell is just a bad player on a bad contract. Not close IMO
Sep 23, 2019 at 12:41
#3
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2019
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Quoting: Jack_
not even close. both laine and connor are better then RNH, i cant imagine you would trade RNH for a #4 defenseman and a bad contract


Nurse would be the Jets best defender with Byfuglien out. Not ideal with him being a left hand shot but other than that I can't see the Jets not valuing Nurse. I think the Oiler's would absolutely need to add something else to make this trade work but I'm not sure what. Jets seem like a team that is going to hold a grudge with Laine so I would at least be phoning to see what exactly they wanted.
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Sep 23, 2019 at 12:43
#4
Thread Starter
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Quoting: alwaysnextyear
I like Nurse a lot, but Russell is just a bad player on a bad contract. Not close IMO


Edmonton would have to trade out some contracts in order to take on Laine or Connor. Russell contract is real bad and probably a deal killer but maybe the Jets could use him after losing Myers and Byfuglien?
Sep 23, 2019 at 12:44
#5
Subbanator
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Quoting: bwar
Nurse would be the Jets best defender with Byfuglien out. Not ideal with him being a left hand shot but other than that I can't see the Jets not valuing Nurse. I think the Oiler's would absolutely need to add something else to make this trade work but I'm not sure what. Jets seem like a team that is going to hold a grudge with Laine so I would at least be phoning to see what exactly they wanted.


Morrisey is better and Edmonton would have to add Bouchard to this trade and even then I don't know if it works.
Sep 23, 2019 at 12:58
#6
M. Marincin Truther
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 3,233
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Quoting: bwar
Nurse would be the Jets best defender with Byfuglien out. Not ideal with him being a left hand shot but other than that I can't see the Jets not valuing Nurse. I think the Oiler's would absolutely need to add something else to make this trade work but I'm not sure what. Jets seem like a team that is going to hold a grudge with Laine so I would at least be phoning to see what exactly they wanted.


they will probably like him but laine is such a good goal scorer that it wont be worth it. you would have to take out russell and add probably bouchard or a good winger prospect
Sep 23, 2019 at 1:13
#7
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
Morrisey is better and Edmonton would have to add Bouchard to this trade and even then I don't know if it works.


In what way is Morrissey better?

Also, Bouchard will probably score as many points as Laine while playing a more important position, so that's a non-starter.
Sep 23, 2019 at 1:15
#8
Insta Kempe_is_saad`
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 585
Likes: 87
Laine is not going to resign he hates winnipeg
Sep 23, 2019 at 2:36
#9
BootBoi
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 2,608
Likes: 314
Let Laine poison another locker room.
leaves should come calling.
Jets should trade, while they can..-~
Sep 23, 2019 at 2:40
#10
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Laine or Connor?

Nik Ehlers.
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Sep 23, 2019 at 3:26
#11
Simpleton
Joined: Jun 2017
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Quoting: CD282
Laine or Connor?

Nik Ehlers.


Yup.
Sep 23, 2019 at 3:50
#12
Subbanator
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Quoting: CD282
In what way is Morrissey better?

Also, Bouchard will probably score as many points as Laine while playing a more important position, so that's a non-starter.


He is better defensively, Nurse has more offensive upside but hasn't gotten there yet, so I give the slight edge to Morrissey.

The second part of your reply is just dumb. Laine is and always will be the superior player to Bouchard.
Sep 23, 2019 at 4:14
#13
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Edited Sep 23, 2019 at 4:21
Quoting: Subbanator7667
He is better defensively, Nurse has more offensive upside but hasn't gotten there yet, so I give the slight edge to Morrissey.

Nurse has shown his greater offensive upside already: over the past 2 years he's 11th in the NHL scoring at 5v5 for defensemen, tied with Victor Hedman and Seth Jones.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20172018&thruseason=20182019&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=std&rate=n&team=ALL&pos=D&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

The only reason his point totals lag is because Klefbom gets most of the 1st unit PP time. Nurse stepped in when Klefbom was injured earlier this year and the PP did better so it's now his spot to lose.

[Edit: even still, he's 43rd in the league for all strengths scoring, tied with Tyler Myers, Brandon Montour and Ivan Provorov. Notable "offensive defensemen" that are bihind Nurse in scoring: Faulk, Hanifin, Slavin, Hampus Lindholm, Fowler, Vatanen and Brodin.]

Quoting: Subbanator7667
The second part of your reply is just dumb. Laine is and always will be the superior player to Bouchard.

Laine will score more goals, but I highly doubt he'll be a "superior player" to Evan Bouchard. To quote Dom Luszczyszyn:

(Laine's) already wretched defensive game deteriorated further as he carried a team worst among forwards 42 percent expected goals rate as a result. His 39 percent in the second half was a full 2.5 percentage points worse than the team’s next worst regular... If he’s not scoring, he’s not working and that’s the problem. It’s all fine and dandy when he is, but when he doesn’t, the holes in his game become extremely clear. It’s not just defence either as he’s become less involved on offence too, with his play-driving ability there declining, as well as his individual points percentage.

Laine is far from a complete player, and 50 points in an 82-game season certainly isn't out of the question for Bouchard.
 
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