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Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 26, 2019
Published: Sep. 26, 2019
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Fair value for Drouin considering salary retentiom?
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  1. McCann, Jared
  2. Rust, Bryan
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Sep. 26, 2019 at 2:24 p.m.
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Overpayment
Drouin at best = 50 pts
<<<
Rust = ~ 35 pts
Mccann = conservative estimate of definetly at least 35 pts in a full year with crosby and guentzel
Then a 2nd round pick too

Bottom line = Not worth it
Sep. 26, 2019 at 2:25 p.m.
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
Overpayment
Drouin at best = 50 pts
<<<
Rust = ~ 35 pts
Mccann = conservative estimate of definetly at least 35 pts in a full year with crosby and guentzel
Then a 2nd round pick too

Bottom line = Not worth it

Lol not even close for Drouin
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Sep. 26, 2019 at 2:25 p.m.
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
Overpayment
Drouin at best = 50 pts
<<<
Rust = ~ 35 pts
Mccann = conservative estimate of definetly at least 35 pts in a full year with crosby and guentzel
Then a 2nd too

Bottom line = Not worth it


WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF THATS AN OVERERPAYMENT WE BETTER MAKE THIS TRADE IN REAL LIFE
Sep. 26, 2019 at 2:26 p.m.
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
Overpayment
Drouin at best = 50 pts
<<<
Rust = ~ 35 pts
Mccann = conservative estimate of definetly at least 35 pts in a full year with crosby and guentzel
Then a 2nd too

Bottom line = Not worth it


Yeah I know but we have a lot of depth at offense and Ik montreal wont let him go easy so. Who knows, maybe he plays with Crosby and turns into a 70ish player? Unlikely pens trade for him at all tho
Sep. 26, 2019 at 2:26 p.m.
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Lol not even close for Drouin


I think he might be mike Milbury in disguise
Sep. 26, 2019 at 2:32 p.m.
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
Overpayment
Drouin at best = 50 pts
<<<
Rust = ~ 35 pts
Mccann = conservative estimate of definetly at least 35 pts in a full year with crosby and guentzel
Then a 2nd round pick too

Bottom line = Not worth it


Let's make sure to requote properly: ''Mccann = conservative estimate of definetly at least 35 pts in a full year with crosby and guentzel'', i.e. he'll only get there playing w/ an elite center and a top 6 F.
Most player's individual stats follow their linemates, and McCann is an example of that if played w/ Crosby and Guentzel.
You put Drouin w/ those two and he'll crack 70+ points for sure.

Overall, Drouin for two bottom 6 Fs and a pick that has absolutely no guarantee to be an NHLer = not worth it for the Habs
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Sep. 26, 2019 at 2:36 p.m.
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Let's make sure to requote properly: ''Mccann = conservative estimate of definetly at least 35 pts in a full year with crosby and guentzel'', i.e. he'll only get there playing w/ an elite center and a top 6 F.
Most player's individual stats follow their linemates, and McCann is an example of that if played w/ Crosby and Guentzel.
You put Drouin w/ those two and he'll crack 70+ points for sure.

Overall, Drouin for two bottom 6 Fs and a pick that has absolutely no guarantee to be an NHLer = not worth it for the Habs


Mccann had 28 pts in 17-18 and missed 13 games. So hes capable of roughly 30pts at least on his own.
Sep. 26, 2019 at 2:43 p.m.
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
Mccann had 28 pts in 17-18 and missed 13 games. So hes capable of roughly 30pts at least on his own.


While spliting the season w/ Bjugstad and Trocheck in their career years (49 and 75 pts respectively).
So no, not good value for Drouin
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Sep. 26, 2019 at 2:50 p.m.
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Quoting: brady37
While spliting the season w/ Bjugstad and Trocheck in their career years (49 and 75 pts respectively).
So no, not good value for Drouin


No way they had vrbata playing there back then
Sep. 26, 2019 at 2:57 p.m.
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MTL accept if you trade us Guentzel for Armia,Peca and a 2nd round that is around what you are offering us, do you do it ?
Sep. 26, 2019 at 2:58 p.m.
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
Overpayment
Drouin at best = 50 pts
<<<
Rust = ~ 35 pts
Mccann = conservative estimate of definetly at least 35 pts in a full year with crosby and guentzel
Then a 2nd round pick too

Bottom line = Not worth it


In basically 4 full seasons Drouin has 53 points twice, one of 46 in 77, and the 4th was his meh rookie season. He is only 24. What might he do with Crosby or Malkin...?

The problem isn't his production, as I think that would go up on the Penguins, and he is already a 50+ point guy.
Sep. 26, 2019 at 3:01 p.m.
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Quoting: chuck28
MTL accept if you trade us Guentzel for Armia,Peca and a 2nd round that is around what you are offering us, do you do it ?


Is Drouin a bit of a head case? Like trading Kessel for stuff (okay stuff, but stuff), or Neal for Lucic?
Sep. 26, 2019 at 3:01 p.m.
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In basically 4 full seasons Drouin has 53 points twice, one of 46 in 77, and the 4th was his meh rookie season. He is only 24. What might he do with Crosby or Malkin...?

The problem isn't his production, as I think that would go up on the Penguins, and he is already a 50+ point guy.


True but we also havent seen what mccann can do in a full season with sid and jake. Not only are those two helping mccann but he helps them too. Crosby had a 100pts season for the first time in how long?
Sep. 26, 2019 at 3:07 p.m.
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True but we also havent seen what mccann can do in a full season with sid and jake. Not only are those two helping mccann but he helps them too. Crosby had a 100pts season for the first time in how long?


Yeah, I didn't say anything negative about Rust or McCann because I actually like both. However, neither are "offensive". Drouin could implode, or blow out a knee getting off the plane in Pittsburgh.... but he could also "almost" replace Kessel's point production. Rarely do you get good without giving up good.
Sep. 26, 2019 at 3:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Yojimbo
Is Drouin a bit of a head case? Like trading Kessel for stuff (okay stuff, but stuff), or Neal for Lucic?


we will not trade him unless you overpay for him like Paciorety. Not the easiest player but i don't think he is at Kessel level. and Paciorety was not the easiest player to trade too but we still got a good return(realy good in fact imo)
Sep. 26, 2019 at 3:14 p.m.
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Quoting: chuck28
MTL accept if you trade us Guentzel for Armia,Peca and a 2nd round that is around what you are offering us, do you do it ?


Im sorry i fail to see how you can compare drouin to guentzal? guentzal had 40 goals and 76 points last season and drouin just cracked 50. One is over performing his expectations and the other is under performing.
Sep. 26, 2019 at 3:19 p.m.
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Quoting: MajesticWalrus
No way they had vrbata playing there back then


He had 14 pts in 42 games, his last season, he wasn't a factor. What's the point of even mentioning him?
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Sep. 26, 2019 at 3:20 p.m.
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He had 14 pts in 42 games, his last season, he wasn't a factor. What's the point of even mentioning him?


Well then they had malgin there then. Mccann was in the bottom six
 
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