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I am there for I trade JJ - My best guess

Created by: Sidstick87
Initial Creation Date: Sep 28, 2019
Published: Sep 30, 2019 at 3:17 am
Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
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My THINKING of why I Traded for .......

- R. Graves is a big 6'-5" LHD that GMJR likes, he is an older prospect at 24 but got NHL time last season
and did solid but he is prob a #6 - #7 Dman in NHL but he will keep pressure on Riikola to keep play up.


- G- E. Comrie - Ive always been a big Comrie fan and with Murray's injuries- This team MUST have 3 NHL capable Goalies

- RW- M. Appleton is a big solid #12 - #13 forward but gives us another R-Handed option in line up and can play Center.
Trades
PIT
  1. Graves, Ryan
COL
  1. Jarry, Tristan
  2. Johnson, Jack
PIT
  1. Comrie, Eric
  2. Appleton, Mason
WPG
  1. Ruhwedel, Chad
  2. Aston-Reese, Zach
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2021
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2022
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$79,283,292$132,500$3,700,000$2,216,708

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
PIT
McCann, Jared
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
$6,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
PIT
Galchenyuk, Alex
$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
PIT
Tanev, Brandon
$3,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
PIT
Kahun, Dominik
$925,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
PIT
Bjugstad, Nick
$4,100,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
PIT
Hörnqvist, Patric
$5,300,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
PIT
Simon, Dominik
$750,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
PIT
Blueger, Teddy
$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
PIT
Rust, Bryan
$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
WPG
Appleton, Mason
$741,667
RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 4
PIT
Letang, Kris
$7,250,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Murray, Matt
$3,750,000
G
RFA - 1
PIT
Pettersson, Marcus
$874,125
LD
UFA - 1
PIT
Schultz, Justin
$5,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
$1,250,000
G
UFA - 3
PIT
Riikola, Juuso
$850,000
D
RFA - 1
PIT
Gudbranson, Erik
$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
COL
Graves, Ryan
$735,000
LD
RFA - 1
PIT
Marino, John
$925,000
D
RFA - 2

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Galchenyuk, A.
Hörnqvist, P.
Crosby, S.
Letang, K.
Malkin, E.
Power Play 2
Bjugstad, N.
Guentzel, J.
Simon, D.
Schultz, J.
Riikola, J.
Penalty Kill 1
Letang, K.
Dumoulin, B.
Rust, B.
Blueger, T.
Penalty Kill 2
Gudbranson, E.
Pettersson, M.
Bjugstad, N.
Tanev, B.

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Sep 30, 2019 at 4:38
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I feel like Pittsburgh fans just dont get it. Tell me, why would Colorado want to even consider adding JJ to their roster. He is dead cap space for 4 entire years and not one of those years does he even make the starting line up unless there are like 3 defense injuries. Sure the Avs have cap space right now but that happens next year when Girard's contract comes in Burakovsky, Zadorov and Jost need contracts. Then in 2 years; Landeskog, Makar, and Grubauer need raises. Oh and look in 3 years when they are still paying Jack Johnson to do nothing, Kadri and Byram's contracts need to go up. Not to mention the team looking for actual useful upgrades in players that will likely eat up cap space. You are literally offering your overpaid spare parts for an elc contract.
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Sep 30, 2019 at 4:44
#2
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The Avs would have to be utterly stupid to make this trade.
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Sep 30, 2019 at 6:36
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I feel like Pittsburgh fans just dont get it. Tell me, why would Colorado want to even consider adding JJ to their roster. He is dead cap space for 4 entire years and not one of those years does he even make the starting line up unless there are like 3 defense injuries. Sure the Avs have cap space right now but that happens next year when Girard's contract comes in Burakovsky, Zadorov and Jost need contracts. Then in 2 years; Landeskog, Makar, and Grubauer need raises. Oh and look in 3 years when they are still paying Jack Johnson to do nothing, Kadri and Byram's contracts need to go up. Not to mention the team looking for actual useful upgrades in players that will likely eat up cap space. You are literally offering your overpaid spare parts for an elc contract.


Because their blueline is a total mess.

Because Colorado scouted the Penguins on the last game.

Because they need a goalie.

Here is the real kicker for you. Because there are multiple teams who have been discussing a trade for JJ.

Who knows if he actually ends up in COL, but please for the love of god stop acting surprised if he does.
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Sep 30, 2019 at 6:44
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mhockey91
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Quoting: pharrow
Because their blueline is a total mess.

Because Colorado scouted the Penguins on the last game.

Because they need a goalie.

Here is the real kicker for you. Because there are multiple teams who have been discussing a trade for JJ.

Who knows if he actually ends up in COL, but please for the love of god stop acting surprised if he does.


girard-johnson
Cole-makar

is definitely not a mess of a top 4. avs have ZERO reason to make this trade. Jarry will be lost to waivers. his value is nothing anymore.
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Sep 30, 2019 at 6:47
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Quoting: pharrow
Because their blueline is a total mess.

Because Colorado scouted the Penguins on the last game.

Because they need a goalie.

Here is the real kicker for you. Because there are multiple teams who have been discussing a trade for JJ.

Who knows if he actually ends up in COL, but please for the love of god stop acting surprised if he does.


Blue line a total mess? Maybe it won't be that good this season since some players need some more development. But as LHD: Girard, Zadorov, Cole, Rosen en Graves, as RHD: Johnson, Makar and Timmins. Wouldn't say it's that bad. Trading for jj wouldn't make sense. At best they would go for a RHD rental. And why trade for a goalie who will be sent down and requires waivers. Teams will only trade for jj if the Pens add something interesting
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Sep 30, 2019 at 6:53
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Quoting: pharrow
Because their blueline is a total mess.

Because Colorado scouted the Penguins on the last game.

Because they need a goalie.

Here is the real kicker for you. Because there are multiple teams who have been discussing a trade for JJ.

Who knows if he actually ends up in COL, but please for the love of god stop acting surprised if he does.


Lots of teams were discussing trading for Marleau. How did that end up?
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Sep 30, 2019 at 7:00
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Quoting: mhockey91
girard-johnson
Cole-makar

is definitely not a mess of a top 4. avs have ZERO reason to make this trade. Jarry will be lost to waivers. his value is nothing anymore.


Cole is injured. Reports were he won't be there till December. On top of it, he had surgery on both hips. Even if he does come back from that, with no real time to heal, what are you really going to get?
Injuries are plaguing their blue line. johnson is just off shoulder surgery.

I've stated this before.

They will indeed need help on the blue line. They know. Which is why they are looking.

The penguins don't have to put Jarry on Waivers.
I think Rust is going on LTIR. That will be that and they got cap space. JJ will be traded, because there is no role for him here. They will play Riikola, they will let Chad R be the 7th guy, but in reality if someone gets hurt look for Marino to be the call up.
Sep 30, 2019 at 7:05
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Quoting: JayTea
Lots of teams were discussing trading for Marleau. How did that end up?


Dubas is one of the worst GMs in the whole league.
JR is a straight F ing swindler when it comes to trades.

Like picking up Marino for a 6th. Or getting Kessel for damn near nothing and winning 2 cups.

There are multiple sources saying the same thing on the number anyway. It's not coming from one team. There are multiple teams looking at a trade.
Sep 30, 2019 at 7:14
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Quoting: mhockey91
Jarry will be lost to waivers. his value is nothing anymore.


I do not think that it is out of the realm of possibilities that DeSmith is the on that is traded and Jarry is in Pittsburgh as the backup.
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Sep 30, 2019 at 7:40
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Quoting: pharrow
Because their blueline is a total mess.

Because Colorado scouted the Penguins on the last game.

Because they need a goalie.

Here is the real kicker for you. Because there are multiple teams who have been discussing a trade for JJ.

Who knows if he actually ends up in COL, but please for the love of god stop acting surprised if he does.


Teams regularly scout each other. JJ is unlikely to be the target for the Avs. The Avs are loaded up with D who are as low quality as JJ if they're looking to temporarily cover injuries without having the salary hit for 4 years. From the small audition we saw last season with Graves I'd take him above JJ. That's in addition to the quality D they have. The blueline is nowhere near in a mess. No idea what planet you're on. The Avs are set in goal with Grubauer & Francouz and just picked up Bibeau to give cover so no, they don't really need a goalie. Especially not one that they likely lose on waivers. If the Avs want to get Jarry then they'd wait to try and get him off waivers themselves. Multiple teams may have been discussing a trade for JJ, I would doubt the Avs are one of them unless they are daft, or the Penguins are sending something with him that's a lot more interesting than the above. The only winner in this trade would be Pittsburgh. Younger D with the potential to become better for a deteriorating D who has never been great who costs more plus a goalie you're going to lose on waivers? Make any sense? Nope!
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Sep 30, 2019 at 8:07
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No team is trading for get four years of 3.25m cap hit that isn't justified now and will be bigger drag in the future. Jarry? He's a waiver wire pick up.

The Marleau comparison was made. Cost the Leafs a first for one year cap hit of 6.25m (actual cash 3m). Betcha the Canes wish they had never made that trade. Having cap space would be a benefit this season and the pick even if a good one is years away from being a productive Cane.
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Sep 30, 2019 at 9:18
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Quoting: pharrow
Dubas is one of the worst GMs in the whole league.
JR is a straight F ing swindler when it comes to trades.

Like picking up Marino for a 6th. Or getting Kessel for damn near nothing and winning 2 cups.

There are multiple sources saying the same thing on the number anyway. It's not coming from one team. There are multiple teams looking at a trade.


Because multiple teams know the Pens HAVE to make a move and want to see what moving JJ is worth to the Pens because signing him was stupid to begin with. I don't doubt multiple teams are asking about trading for him, but it's not so they can acquire only Jarry for their troubles. No idea what the cost to move 4 years of a playoff healthy scratch $3m cap hit is, but Jarry isn't it.
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Sep 30, 2019 at 9:27
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Quoting: pharrow
Because their blueline is a total mess.

Because Colorado scouted the Penguins on the last game.

Because they need a goalie.

Here is the real kicker for you. Because there are multiple teams who have been discussing a trade for JJ.

Who knows if he actually ends up in COL, but please for the love of god stop acting surprised if he does.


You are clueless and have limited hockey knowledge

Quoting: mhockey91
girard-johnson
Cole-makar

is definitely not a mess of a top 4. avs have ZERO reason to make this trade. Jarry will be lost to waivers. his value is nothing anymore.


Finally a penguin fan that isn’t clueless. Avs literally just traded for a goalie and grub is their starting goalie. They don’t need a goalie. And to fix their “mess of a defense” he suggested trading for JJ. If he’s the answer they should rebuild today.
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Sep 30, 2019 at 10:26
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Quoting: Yojimbo
I do not think that it is out of the realm of possibilities that DeSmith is the on that is traded and Jarry is in Pittsburgh as the backup.


That is true. Desmith also has more trade value. He could be a decent sweetener in a johnson trade
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Sep 30, 2019 at 10:28
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
You are clueless and have limited hockey knowledge


Finally a penguin fan that isn’t clueless. Avs literally just traded for a goalie and grub is their starting goalie. They don’t need a goalie. And to fix their “mess of a defense” he suggested trading for JJ. If he’s the answer they should rebuild today.


On behalf of decent penguins fans I apologize. I am curious to see what it will cost to dump Johnson. I’m hoping it won’t take a first, but I guess we will find out shortly since it seems like Johnson will be traded sometime this week
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Sep 30, 2019 at 10:32
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Quoting: JayTea
Because multiple teams know the Pens HAVE to make a move and want to see what moving JJ is worth to the Pens because signing him was stupid to begin with. I don't doubt multiple teams are asking about trading for him, but it's not so they can acquire only Jarry for their troubles. No idea what the cost to move 4 years of a playoff healthy scratch $3m cap hit is, but Jarry isn't it.


please just stop. The penguins don't "have" to do anything.
end full stop.
Rust goes on LTIR, JJ sent to minors. No problems. end of conversation.
Sep 30, 2019 at 10:33
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
You are clueless and have limited hockey knowledge



Finally a penguin fan that isn’t clueless. Avs literally just traded for a goalie and grub is their starting goalie. They don’t need a goalie. And to fix their “mess of a defense” he suggested trading for JJ. If he’s the answer they should rebuild today.


and you are a caps troll.
No one cares what your trolling self thinks.
Sep 30, 2019 at 10:40
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Quoting: pharrow
please just stop. The penguins don't "have" to do anything.
end full stop.
Rust goes on LTIR, JJ sent to minors. No problems. end of conversation.


Can they send JJ to the AHL? I realize in asking this you don't actually know nor will you figure it out, but the AHL has a veteran rule that prohibits teams from playing more than 5 or 6 players who have exceeded 260 professional games or so. It's one of the reasons that the Wild likely won't send down Brown or Rask.

I'm sure the Pens can figure something out or even move a different easier to move player but with their core getting older, moving JJ to free up his cap gives them a lot of freedom to upgrade their roster.
Sep 30, 2019 at 10:42
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Quoting: pharrow
Because their blueline is a total mess.

Because Colorado scouted the Penguins on the last game.

Because they need a goalie.

Here is the real kicker for you. Because there are multiple teams who have been discussing a trade for JJ.

Who knows if he actually ends up in COL, but please for the love of god stop acting surprised if he does.


Thank You
Sep 30, 2019 at 10:45
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Quoting: mhockey91
That is true. Desmith also has more trade value. He could be a decent sweetener in a johnson trade


Id actually rather keep Jarry - The younger, cheaper goalie w/ way more upside and who would do better or just as good as Desmith.
But I put Jarry in bc that sounds to be the one going
Sep 30, 2019 at 10:47
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Quoting: JayTea
Can they send JJ to the AHL? I realize in asking this you don't actually know nor will you figure it out, but the AHL has a veteran rule that prohibits teams from playing more than 5 or 6 players who have exceeded 260 professional games or so. It's one of the reasons that the Wild likely won't send down Brown or Rask.

I'm sure the Pens can figure something out or even move a different easier to move player but with their core getting older, moving JJ to free up his cap gives them a lot of freedom to upgrade their roster.


this is the dumbest excuse I have ever heard for not moving a player.
Like they wouldn't ship off a AHL veteran to make room.
FFS what a reach.
Sep 30, 2019 at 10:47
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Quoting: mhockey91
On behalf of decent penguins fans I apologize. I am curious to see what it will cost to dump Johnson. I’m hoping it won’t take a first, but I guess we will find out shortly since it seems like Johnson will be traded sometime this week


I think Jarry is a tough loss in JJ trade... but I mite be biased bc I am a Jarry fan and how athletic of a goalie he is.... I still think the kid has Starter potential but is stuck behind a 2-time Cup winner and a great back-up.
Sep 30, 2019 at 10:51
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Quoting: JayTea
Can they send JJ to the AHL? I realize in asking this you don't actually know nor will you figure it out, but the AHL has a veteran rule that prohibits teams from playing more than 5 or 6 players who have exceeded 260 professional games or so. It's one of the reasons that the Wild likely won't send down Brown or Rask.

I'm sure the Pens can figure something out or even move a different easier to move player but with their core getting older, moving JJ to free up his cap gives them a lot of freedom to upgrade their roster.


Yah they can send him down to AHL but will have to go thru waivers (obviously he will, lol) but the word is there are 2 teams willing to take JJ and I just dont see GMJR paying a crazy price just to get rid of him like all the "Pro GM's" on here say.
Sep 30, 2019 at 10:52
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Quoting: pharrow
this is the dumbest excuse I have ever heard for not moving a player.
Like they wouldn't ship off a AHL veteran to make room.
FFS what a reach.


Depends if the AHL veterans are worth having to provide mentorship to the developing prospects.
Sep 30, 2019 at 10:54
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Quoting: Yojimbo
I do not think that it is out of the realm of possibilities that DeSmith is the on that is traded and Jarry is in Pittsburgh as the backup.


Thats what I want but I am biased bc im a Jarry fan. But I put Jarry in as trade bc that seems to be the rumor.
 
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