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Arizona Coyotes signed Darcy Kuemper (2 Years / $4,500,000 AAV)

Was this a good signing?
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Oct 2, 2019 at 2:51
#26
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Quoting: DSZ
This makes no sense Kuemper literally was one of the only reasons why the Coyotes were even sniffing playoffs last season


There is also a reason why the season before Kuemper took a pay cut to $750K and was then traded for a bag of used pucks half way through the season. And it is not like he is a 23 year old goalie that just needed to find his footing. he is an okay backup type at best.
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Oct 2, 2019 at 3:12
#27
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Raanta was the bad deal, not Kuemper. Raanta is always injured and pretty much worthless. I think this deal is pretty reasonable.
Oct 2, 2019 at 3:18
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Quoting: DragonRaptorHybrid
I doubt that. Comrie hasn't proven much at the NHL level, compared to Raanta or Kuemper. Comrie appears to be more of an insurance option for Raanta's nagging minor injuries at the moment.


That makes more sense. Also I though Raanta was a UFA after this year, but he has 2 years left.
Oct 2, 2019 at 3:28
#29
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I don't think people are realizing just how good Kuemper was last year. He finished 5th in the Vezina voting and kept the Coyotes in it down the stretch. Given the contracts that Chayka has already handed out to his core, this won't be a deal that hampers them if Kuemper doesn't play like a starter. I personally would've waited a little bit to see if Kuemper could prove he can play like a #1 for the whole season, but they did it now for a lower AAV.
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Oct 2, 2019 at 3:31
#30
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Quoting: DrumMan44
Almost $9 million on goaltending gets your Raanta and Kuemper?


Well yeah. They're both really good, especially Raanta.
Oct 2, 2019 at 3:50
#31
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Quoting: krakowitz
I personally would've waited a little bit to see if Kuemper could prove he can play like a #1 for the whole season, but they did it now for a lower AAV.
To me, this contract fits more in line with Chayka's apparent MO. Negotiations probably went something along the lines of "well, we're giving you this much because you did staggeringly well last season, but we don't know if that's a mirage or not, so this amount of money is based on a comparable contract (like Jordan Binnington's, say)." if Chayka had let negotiations drag on into the season, and Kuemper played like a man possessed, the latter would rightfully have demanded more money.
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Oct 2, 2019 at 3:55
#32
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This isn't an awful contract. If Kuemper continues to play well, they'll have two good goaltenders for the next two seasons.
Oct 2, 2019 at 5:13
#33
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Kuemper had good numbers last year, it would be a stretch to say hes a proven #1. The fact they already have Raanta signed is an issue. The idea that a tandem works where the work and salary is split close to 50/50 has not been proven(starters have lost their jobs to up and comers- but they werent paid like starters, nor expected to split duties). It didnt work with Dallas (Lehtonen/Niemi), NYI (Greiss/Halak/then Lehner) nor the multiple times the Flyers and Blues have tried it. While the cap hit for goalies for Arizona is only 6.8 this year- it jumps to 9.4 next year, if it was affective this season- that would put them #2 (behind Boston-9.75m) in goalie costs among the top cup contenders ( Bos. Dall . Vegas, TBay, Wash, Colo, Tor, St.L, Pit) .
If they were to move Raanta, or figured he was to spend most if not all season on the LTIR- then this would be an ok back-up plan (pun intended). They do have two good prospects in net: Adin Hill and Ivan Prosvetov ( a few years away for Ivan).
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Oct 2, 2019 at 5:45
#34
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And let's not forget the effect of the expansion draft in two summers.
Oct 2, 2019 at 6:12
#35
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Quoting: rollie1967
Kuemper had good numbers last year, it would be a stretch to say hes a proven #1. The fact they already have Raanta signed is an issue. The idea that a tandem works where the work and salary is split close to 50/50 has not been proven(starters have lost their jobs to up and comers- but they werent paid like starters, nor expected to split duties). It didnt work with Dallas (Lehtonen/Niemi), NYI (Greiss/Halak/then Lehner) nor the multiple times the Flyers and Blues have tried it. While the cap hit for goalies for Arizona is only 6.8 this year- it jumps to 9.4 next year, if it was affective this season- that would put them #2 (behind Boston-9.75m) in goalie costs among the top cup contenders ( Bos. Dall . Vegas, TBay, Wash, Colo, Tor, St.L, Pit) .
If they were to move Raanta, or figured he was to spend most if not all season on the LTIR- then this would be an ok back-up plan (pun intended). They do have two good prospects in net: Adin Hill and Ivan Prosvetov ( a few years away for Ivan).
"sir, this is a Wendy's."

jokes aside, one seems to be conveniently forgetting the facts that:
a) the Islanders made the playoffs at all due to Greiss and Lehner's goaltending, when noooooobody expected them to, and also in spite of their 223 goals for over the season, more than 20 below league average;
b) the Bruins, oh, I dunno, made the playoffs and the Stanley Cup Finals in the first place because Halák's goaltending was good enough in a tandem role to get the Bruins through Rask's slumps, thus not working Rask nearly as hard as compared to if he had played 60+ games and giving him enough gas in the tank to carry the Bruins through the playoffs.

sure, Rask and Halák aren't paid close to the same, but that's more due to the paradigm of paying goaltenders that still exists and hasn't really changed yet across the league.
Oct 2, 2019 at 7:13
#36
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$4.5 Million for a goalie who would be 3rd string on any other team?
Oct 2, 2019 at 7:51
#37
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34 Yes's and 34 No's. I guess I'll break the tie.

YES, but why now? What if he has a down season? What's the rush?
Oct 2, 2019 at 8:18
#38
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I've liked Kuemper since he was on the Wild. He was a very good goalie and if he keeps it up this will look like an absolute steal. Raanta is injury-prone and clearly proving he isn't the best starter, so for this kind of cash Kuemper is a highly reliable fall-back guy if Raanta goes rotten or gets injured.
Oct 22, 2020 at 3:53
#39
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Oooooooooooooh man this is starting to be one of the best Goalie Contracts in the NHL
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Jan 2 at 5:26
#40
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Quoting: DavidAyers
Oooooooooooooh man this is starting to be one of the best Goalie Contracts in the NHL


yeah, it's really funny looking back through all of these responses and seeing how wrong so many people were
Jan 2 at 6:16
#41
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
With this & the Comrie claim, goodbye Antti Raanta.


Actually, no.
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