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Best powerplay unit in the league and the worst 2nd unit in the league

Created by: AH96
Initial Creation Date: Oct 2, 2019
Published: Oct 2 at 3:17 pm
Team: 2019-20 Edmonton Oilers
Buyouts
  • Andrej Sekera: $2,500,000
  • Benoit Pouliot: $1,333,333
  • Eric Gryba: $300,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Milan Lucic: $750,000 (13%)
Buried
  • Sam Gagner: $2,075,000 ($3,150,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
2021
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
PIT
EDM
2022
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
EDM
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,706,999$0$2,407,500-$206,999

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
EDM
Nygård, Joakim
$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
EDM
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
UFA - 7
EDM
Neal, James
$5,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 6
EDM
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
$6,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
EDM
Kassian, Zack
$1,950,000
RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Khaira, Jujhar
$1,200,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
EDM
Cave, Colby
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
EDM
Archibald, Josh
$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Granlund, Markus
$1,300,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
EDM
Haas, Gaëtan
$925,000
C
UFA - 1
EDM
Chiasson, Alex
$2,150,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
EDM
Nurse, Darnell
$3,200,000
LD
RFA - 1
EDM
Larsson, Adam
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 2
EDM
Koskinen, Mikko
$4,500,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
EDM
Klefbom, Oscar
$4,167,000
LD
UFA - 4
EDM
Bear, Ethan
$720,000
RD
RFA - 1
EDM
Smith, Mike
$2,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
EDM
Russell, Kris
$4,000,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
EDM
Benning, Matthew
$1,900,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
EDM
Jurco, Tomas
$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
EDM
Persson, Joel
$1,000,000
RD
RFA - 1
EDM
Brodziak, Kyle
$1,150,000
C
UFA - 1
EDM
Russell, Patrick
$700,000
RW
UFA - 1
EDM
Sheahan, Riley
$900,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
EDM
Manning, Brandon
$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
EDM
Day, Logan
$750,000
D
RFA - 1
EDM
Mantha, Ryan
$870,000
RD
RFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Chiasson, A.
Draisaitl, L.
McDavid, C.
Nugent-Hopkins, R.
Klefbom, O.
Power Play 2
Nygård, J.
Kassian, Z.
Neal, J.
Bear, E.
Nurse, D.
Penalty Kill 1
Cave, C.
Khaira, J.
Nurse, D.
Larsson, A.
Penalty Kill 2
Haas, G.
Granlund, M.
Russell, K.
Benning, M.

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Oct 2 at 3:24
#1
BuFfaLoFan
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Point, Kucherov, Stamkos, Hedman, Palat/Johnson is better
Oct 2 at 3:25
#2
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Toronto's 1st unit of Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Rielly, and Barrie is better than this. Still good though
Oct 2 at 3:26
#3
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
Point, Kucherov, Stamkos, Hedman, Palat/Johnson is better


MacKinnon Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri, Makar is up there too
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Oct 2 at 3:27
#4
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Eichel Ollofson Reinhart Skinner Dahlin! Will be good
Oct 2 at 3:27
#5
BuFfaLoFan
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Quoting: coga16
MacKinnon Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri, Makar is up there too


Up
Oct 2 at 3:32
#6
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
Point, Kucherov, Stamkos, Hedman, Palat/Johnson is better


Quoting: ItsBlowTime
Toronto's 1st unit of Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Rielly, and Barrie is better than this. Still good though


Quoting: coga16
MacKinnon Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri, Makar is up there too


Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
Eichel Ollofson Reinhart Skinner Dahlin! Will be good


None of these units have a 50 goal scorer. Lol at Buffalo it'll be good but not in this conversation.
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Oct 2 at 3:35
#7
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Quoting: AH96
None of these units have a 50 goal scorer. Lol at Buffalo it'll be good but not in this conversation.


Chiasson is on this unit, doesnt matter if there is one 50 goal scorer on it or not. They have 3 players on this whole forward core and a bunch of waiver wire pick ups or experiments...plus klefbom is running it. Hes not to scaring anyone as the D threat
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Oct 2 at 3:45
#8
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Quoting: coga16
Chiasson is on this unit, doesnt matter if there is one 50 goal scorer on it or not. They have 3 players on this whole forward core and a bunch of waiver wire pick ups or experiments...plus klefbom is running it. Hes not to scaring anyone as the D threat


Chiasson is the net front presence, he's there to clear the crease and tip in pucks. Klefbom has the one-timer threat you don't exactly need him distributing the puck when you have Connor McDavid on the ice.
Oct 2 at 3:49
#9
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Meier-Couture-Hertl-Karlsson-Burns is top 3 at least
Oct 2 at 3:58
#10
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Quoting: AH96
None of these units have a 50 goal scorer. Lol at Buffalo it'll be good but not in this conversation.


You're right, none of those teams have a 50 goal scorer. However, since you want to bring last year's stats into it here are the stat totals from each team's top PP unit listed in this thread.

**Makar and Olofsson didn't play a full season last year so I used his nhl.com projection from this year (49 & 44).

TBL: 128,98,92,54,47 = 419

TOR: 94,88,73,72,59 = 386

EDM: 116,105,69,38,28 = 356

COL: 99,87,75,49*,44 = 353

SJS: 83,74,70,66,45 = 338

BUF: 82,65,63,44,44* = 298

Keep in mind Karlsson only played 53 games for SJ last season and they're only 18 points behind the Oilers..
Oct 2 at 3:59
#11
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Archibald is a primary PKer, I'm not sure how you missed that.
Oct 2 at 4:01
#12
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Quoting: AH96
Chiasson is the net front presence, he's there to clear the crease and tip in pucks. Klefbom has the one-timer threat you don't exactly need him distributing the puck when you have Connor McDavid on the ice.


Klefbom had 1 pp goal last year. one timer threat.

Oilers have 2 elite players on their PP, 1 really good one in Nuge then the rest fall off a map when comparing the quality to other top units. Chiasson doesnt add to a pp bc hes skilled or bc hes a net pressence? They legit have no other options with how bad that roster is built

The teams you are disputing, Avs, Leafs, tampa, sharks, etc all had better team pp% than the Oilers. and thats with a 50 goal scorer. Anyway you look at it, players or team conversions %, Oilers dont even have close to the top pp unit in the league
Oct 2 at 4:04
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Edmonton had the 7th best PP in the league last year by GF/60 and the 9th best by PP%. What changes are there that indicate they'll improve drastically?

(And please don't tell me they were 2nd in the league in the preseason, that doesn't translate into the regular season.)
Oct 2 at 4:05
#14
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best powerplay in the league: mondo-mondo-mondo-mondo-mondo
Oct 2 at 4:11
#15
BuFfaLoFan
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Quoting: AH96
None of these units have a 50 goal scorer. Lol at Buffalo it'll be good but not in this conversation.


So Ovi, Backston Carlson Kuzy and Another would be better...
Skinner could be a 50 goal scorer if our ppl works out, Eichels passes are v good and enters the zone better than almost anyone...Dahlins better than Klefbom...Reinhart is Huge just better and Ollofson is a goal threat with a lethal shot and good hands and pass...
Oct 2 at 4:14
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Quoting: coga16
Klefbom had 1 pp goal last year. one timer threat.

Oilers have 2 elite players on their PP, 1 really good one in Nuge then the rest fall off a map when comparing the quality to other top units. Chiasson doesnt add to a pp bc hes skilled or bc hes a net pressence? They legit have no other options with how bad that roster is built

The teams you are disputing, Avs, Leafs, tampa, sharks, etc all had better team pp% than the Oilers. and thats with a 50 goal scorer. Anyway you look at it, players or team conversions %, Oilers dont even have close to the top pp unit in the league


Nugent-Hopkins is an elite player on the PP. His P/60 at 5v4 last year was 31st in the league, ahead of "elite" players like Marner, Gaudreau, Eichel and Aho.

Chiasson's G/60 at 5v4 (2.61) was viturally tied with Laine's (2.62).

Edmonton was the 6th in the league by G/60 at 5v4 last year. Colorado was 11th.
Oct 2 at 4:29
#17
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Quoting: CD282
Nugent-Hopkins is an elite player on the PP. His P/60 at 5v4 last year was 31st in the league, ahead of "elite" players like Marner, Gaudreau, Eichel and Aho.

Chiasson's G/60 at 5v4 (2.61) was viturally tied with Laine's (2.62).

Edmonton was the 6th in the league by G/60 at 5v4 last year. Colorado was 11th.


this is nothing to do with Avs PP is betteror not than the Oilers....and to the point you just made...best PP in the league. Like yuo are showing if you look at G/60...another stat showing its not.
Oct 2 at 4:33
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Top forwards by P/60 at 5v4 last year, and their league rank:

TBY: 28.2%
2. Kucherov
7. Stamkos
11. Miller
13. Point

FLA: 26.8%
9. Huberdeau
24. Trocheck
27. Hoffman
46. Barkov

BOS: 25.9
1. Pastrnak
3. Marchand
5. Bergeron
77. Krejci

WPG: 24.8%
16. Wheeler
59. Hayes
60. Scheifele
81. Laine

PIT: 24.6%
4. Kessel
8. Crosby
28. Malkin
107. Guentzel

SJS: 23.6%
25. Lebanc
39. Thornton
43. Pavelski
57. Kane

COL: 22.0%
19. Rantanen
20. MacKinnon
41. Landeskog
58. Kerfoot

TOR: 21.8%
12. Matthews
32. Marner
61. Tavares
87. Kadri

EDM: 21.2%
6. McDavid
18. Draisaitl
31. Nugent-Hopkins
48. Chiasson

I would say these numbers show that EDM's 1st unit is top-3 in the league but their 2nd unit drags the average down to 9th best conversion rate and 7th best GF/60 in the league. Could the top unit elevate to 1st in the league? It could, but likely won't until Bouchard gets the job.
Oct 2 at 4:35
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Quoting: ItsBlowTime
You're right, none of those teams have a 50 goal scorer. However, since you want to bring last year's stats into it here are the stat totals from each team's top PP unit listed in this thread.

**Makar and Olofsson didn't play a full season last year so I used his nhl.com projection from this year (49 & 44).

TBL: 128,98,92,54,47 = 419

TOR: 94,88,73,72,59 = 386

EDM: 116,105,69,38,28 = 356

COL: 99,87,75,49*,44 = 353

SJS: 83,74,70,66,45 = 338

BUF: 82,65,63,44,44* = 298

Keep in mind Karlsson only played 53 games for SJ last season and they're only 18 points behind the Oilers..


Only TBY and BOS had a better 1st unit than EDM, as measured by P/60. See my post above.
Oct 2 at 4:38
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Quoting: ItsBlowTime
Toronto's 1st unit of Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Rielly, and Barrie is better than this. Still good though


Toronto's top unit wasn't as good as Edmonton's top unit last last year, as per post #18 above. Will Barrie elevate that unit beyond what Kadri did? It's doubtful.
 
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