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Winnipeg improving their D core

Created by: KubaH
Initial Creation Date: Oct 7, 2019
Published: Oct 7 at 8:32 am
Team: 2019-20 Winnipeg Jets
Trades
WPG
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
  2. Sheary, Conor
  3. Thompson, Tage
BUF
  1. Perreault, Mathieu
  2. Vesalainen, Kristian
  3. 2020 1st round pick (WPG)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
2021
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
2022
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
WPG
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$78,617,021$0$697,500$2,882,979
Left WingCenterRight Wing
WPG
Connor, Kyle
$7,142,857
LW
UFA - 7
WPG
Scheifele, Mark
$6,125,000
C
UFA - 5
WPG
Wheeler, Blake
$8,250,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 5
WPG
Laine, Patrik
$6,750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
WPG
Little, Bryan
$5,291,666
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 5
WPG
Ehlers, Nikolaj
$6,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
BUF
Sheary, Conor
$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
WPG
Lowry, Adam
$2,916,666
C
UFA - 2
WPG
Appleton, Mason
$741,667
RW, C
RFA - 1
WPG
Copp, Andrew
$2,280,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
WPG
Roslovic, Jack
$894,166
RW, C
RFA - 1
BUF
Thompson, Tage
$925,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
WPG
Morrissey, Joshua
$3,150,000
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 3
WPG
Hellebuyck, Connor
$6,166,666
G
UFA - 5
WPG
Kulikov, Dmitry
$4,333,333
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
WPG
Pionk, Neal
$3,000,000
RD
RFA - 2
WPG
Brossoit, Laurent
$1,225,000
G
UFA - 1
WPG
Heinola, Ville
$925,000
LD
RFA - 3
WPG
Dahlström, Carl
$850,000
LD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
WPG
Bourque, Gabriel
$700,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
WPG
Beaulieu, Nathan
$1,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
WPG
Byfuglien, Dustin
$7,600,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
WPG
Poolman, Tucker
$775,000
RD
UFA - 2
WPG
Niku, Sami
$775,000
RD
RFA - 1

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Oct 7 at 8:53
#1
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Easy pass
Oct 7 at 8:53
#2
Waive4WPG
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Trading our first pick for this year would be so stupid. Might end up being a high chance lottery pick.
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Oct 7 at 9:01
#3
KFTW
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Quoting: wojme
Easy pass


Not easy pass wth. Getting Vesalainen and a 1st for a decent 4th defencemen, an impending free agent 3rd liner and a struggling prospect is a great return.
Oct 7 at 9:04
#4
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Quoting: csick
Not easy pass wth. Getting Vesalainen and a 1st for a decent 4th defencemen, an impending free agent 3rd liner and a struggling prospect is a great return.


Risto playing well +Winnipeg struggling and desperate=better return for the Sabres. Tage and vesalainen are a wash for I could care right now. So it's top 4d middle six winger for a 1st and a cap dump.
Oct 7 at 9:42
#5
Analytics are good
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Quoting: wojme
Risto playing well +Winnipeg struggling and desperate=better return for the Sabres. Tage and vesalainen are a wash for I could care right now. So it's top 4d middle six winger for a 1st and a cap dump.


Thompson is trash, he's essentially a throw in, Vesalainen has much more value than him right now.

Perreault is also better than Sheary, even though he makes more than Sheary.
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Oct 7 at 10:29
#6
Sabres and Leafs
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Posts: 575
Likes: 118
Quoting: PenGoater99
Thompson is trash, he's essentially a throw in, Vesalainen has much more value than him right now.

Perreault is also better than Sheary, even though he makes more than Sheary.


Yeah, but Vesalainen hasn't proved anything and the risk of him becoming nothing is too big to trade Ristolainen.
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Oct 7 at 10:31
#7
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Posts: 943
Likes: 324
Quoting: wojme
Easy pass


For the jets yes I agree
Oct 10 at 11:22
#8
future lamentation
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 4,499
Likes: 2,357
@wojme
@tsyls
@csick
@PenGoater99
@Pullero
@Cheddamonkey37

A few observations:
-Ristolainen manages to play 24 minutes a night for 4 different head coaches, my take away is the person whose job is on the line and his success is determined by the players on the ice, all value Ristolainen more than any other defenseman on the roster.
-The last 4 years (including this year), Perreault (46 goals 117 pts) and Sheary (5 goals 120 pts) each played 221 games, neither PK’s, Sheary has a slight edge with more ice time last year but the two previous years the TOI are about the same, so who is more valuable? BTW, I would rather have 27 yo Sheary @ $3KK than 32 (in Jan 2020) yo Perreault @ $4KK (but I do love his name).
-The Blues rushed Thompson to NHL, and unfortunately the Sabres as well, Big players take longer to develop. In his last 12 AHL games he has 10 goals, he bulked up over the summer, he dominated the french connection 3 on 3, he was voted the team leader during that event, so I would not write him off too quickly.
-So my take away,
Ristolainen, Rasmus for 2020 1st round pick not enough for Ristolainen
Sheary, Conor for Perreault, Mathieu I would rather have Sheary
Thompson, Tage for Vesalainen, Kristian too much for Thompson right now, but ask me how I feel in January.
Both teams would say no. Betterall is very happy with his defense depth, and Cheveldayoff likes to fleece other GM’s (see DATM) and would probably not want to trade away his first round pick.
Of course this is my opinion and we all know we all have our opinions and we all have our but whole.
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Oct 10 at 12:17
#9
Waive4WPG
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Quoting: GMTD
@wojme
@tsyls
@csick
@PenGoater99
@Pullero
@Cheddamonkey37

A few observations:
-Ristolainen manages to play 24 minutes a night for 4 different head coaches, my take away is the person whose job is on the line and his success is determined by the players on the ice, all value Ristolainen more than any other defenseman on the roster.
-The last 4 years (including this year), Perreault (46 goals 117 pts) and Sheary (5 goals 120 pts) each played 221 games, neither PK’s, Sheary has a slight edge with more ice time last year but the two previous years the TOI are about the same, so who is more valuable? BTW, I would rather have 27 yo Sheary @ $3KK than 32 (in Jan 2020) yo Perreault @ $4KK (but I do love his name).
-The Blues rushed Thompson to NHL, and unfortunately the Sabres as well, Big players take longer to develop. In his last 12 AHL games he has 10 goals, he bulked up over the summer, he dominated the french connection 3 on 3, he was voted the team leader during that event, so I would not write him off too quickly.
-So my take away,
Ristolainen, Rasmus for 2020 1st round pick not enough for Ristolainen
Sheary, Conor for Perreault, Mathieu I would rather have Sheary
Thompson, Tage for Vesalainen, Kristian too much for Thompson right now, but ask me how I feel in January.
Both teams would say no. Betterall is very happy with his defense depth, and Cheveldayoff likes to fleece other GM’s (see DATM) and would probably not want to trade away his first round pick.
Of course this is my opinion and we all know we all have our opinions and we all have our but whole.


Bottom line I wouldn’t be moving Vesalainen. To be completely honest, I really don’t want ristolainen. The guy should be moved up to forward lol, he was what -41 last year? I honestly would rather wpg not even consider a risto trade and just let their young guys develop.
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Oct 10 at 12:19
#10
KFTW
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Quoting: tsyls
Bottom line I wouldn’t be moving Vesalainen. To be completely honest, I really don’t want ristolainen. The guy should be moved up to forward lol, he was what -41 last year? I honestly would rather wpg not even consider a risto trade and just let their young guys develop.


Yeah if im looking at it from the 2 sides, its a bigger loss for Winnipeg than Buffalo. This would be a desperation attempt by Winnipeg that would fail rather quickly
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Oct 10 at 12:44
#11
future lamentation
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I am bemused, I said both teams would say no, but I am getting push back emphasizing that the Jets would say no, but make appear that I think they should make the trade! I wonder what I need to do to say that I agree with people?

Quoting: tsyls
Bottom line I wouldn’t be moving Vesalainen. To be completely honest, I really don’t want ristolainen. The guy should be moved up to forward lol, he was what -41 last year? I honestly would rather wpg not even consider a risto trade and just let their young guys develop.


Quoting: csick
Yeah if im looking at it from the 2 sides, its a bigger loss for Winnipeg than Buffalo. This would be a desperation attempt by Winnipeg that would fail rather quickly

Actually it is potentially a big loss for the Sabres, let's presume Sheary and Perreault is more or less a wash.
We know Ristolainen can score 40 pts a year, we do not know if the player taken in the first or if Vesalainen will ever play in the NHL.
So Buffalo is actually taking the bigger risk in this trade.
But as I said, neither team will make this trade, so let's agree to that even though we have different reasons.
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