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Deal with CBJ

Created by: Blazingbat11
Initial Creation Date: Oct 7, 2019
Published: Oct 8 at 12:17 am
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
CBJ (looking to get younger) get the youngest player in the deal in Mete who can already play in a top 4 role below Werenski and probably be paired with Savard. Habs take on a more "stable" 2-way top 4 Dman in Murray. Mete is only 21 years old. Murray is 26, so along with this player swap is Armia, a more "stable" middle 6 forward who can play in all situations, for a more offensive shooter middle 6 guy in Bjorkstrand. MTL gaining a more offensive player here is to balance the age gap between Mete and Murray, but both Armia and Bjorkstrand avg the same amount of ice-time (roughly 15:30mins a game). Habs add a draft pick as an incentive (CBJ are looking to get back some draft picks), with a condition for a better pick if Murray stays healthy.

Let me know what you all think!
Trades
MTL
  1. Murray, Ryan
  2. Bjorkstrand, Oliver
CBJ
  1. Mete, Victor
  2. Armia, Joel
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
2020 3rd rd pick is conditional. If Murray stays healthy and plays over 70 games this season. the pick becomes a 2020 2nd rd pick.
Buyouts
  • Steve Mason: $1,366,667
Buried
  • Karl Alzner: $3,550,000 ($4,625,000)
  • Matthew Peca: $225,000 ($1,300,000)
  • Dale Weise: $1,275,000 ($2,350,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
ANA
SJS
WPG
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$77,953,809$0$2,632,500$3,546,191
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Tatar, Tomas
$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
MTL
Domi, Max
$3,150,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 4
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
$2,400,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
CBJ
Bjorkstrand, Oliver
$2,500,000
RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Cousins, Nick
$1,000,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
MTL
Thompson, Nate
$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Weal, Jordan
$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
CBJ
Murray, Ryan
$4,600,000
LD
UFA - 2
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 7
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Kinkaid, Keith
$1,750,000
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
$1,850,000
LD
UFA - 3
MTL
Fleury, Cale
$771,666
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
MTL
Reilly, Mike
$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 2
MTL
Juulsen, Noah
$863,333
RD
RFA - 1
MTL
Folin, Christian
$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Oct 8 at 12:24
#1
Joined: Jun 2019
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Can't see CBJ doing this. Murray and Bjorkstrand while older, are still very young. Bjorkstrand seems to be much better then Armia by now and Murray (if healthy is probably better then Mete
Oct 8 at 12:25
#2
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Not even close imo. I would say tatar and a 3rd for Murray, bjorkstrand. Way off right now.

When healthy Murray is a sold #3. Bjorkstrand can take a game over and with a little consistency he could be a solid top 6 forward.
Oct 8 at 12:38
#3
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Edited Oct 8 at 12:43
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Can't see CBJ doing this. Murray and Bjorkstrand while older, are still very young. Bjorkstrand seems to be much better then Armia by now and Murray (if healthy is probably better then Mete


Quoting: arafay
Not even close imo. I would say tatar and a 3rd for Murray, bjorkstrand. Way off right now.

When healthy Murray is a sold #3. Bjorkstrand can take a game over and with a little consistency he could be a solid top 6 forward.


I don't disagree if we are evaluating all these players right now. But the argument for swaping Bjorkstrand over Armia is that that with Mete only being 21, and Murray at 26 (and a UFA in 2 years) Mete holds more value than Murray imo. Let's not forget that Mete has proven to be able to play a top 4 role. In MTL sure he's playing a bit over his head being paired with Weber, but in CBJ, where he'd be insulated with Werenski playing above him, and being paired with a more defensive minded guy like Savard, Mete would thrive. and the pick isn't a throw in either. a 3rd with the possibility of becoming a 2nd still holds solid value considering all the players involved here.

EDIT: oh, and we can stop with the Tatar trades....he's not going anywhere. This was /still is exclusively a capfriendly ACGM thing where MTL moves him. The guy is too consistent and compliments Gallagher and Danault too well. The line was able to shut down the Marner and Tavares line (it's only one game, granted lol but is still a note worthy accomplishment),
Oct 8 at 1:34
#4
Joined: Mar 2018
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Sorry, but no. Columbus will keep Bjorkstrand, who they think can hit his stride and be more consistent this season, and Murray, who when he’s healthy is a good top 4 dman. From a CBJ fan it looks like a pretty big downgrade for only a 3rd. Plus we have Gavrikov who’s played pretty well in limited minutes this season. Mere would have a hard time making our line up. Our d is our biggest strength atm, so why’d have to get more future picks to make this trade or get a better option for more consistent offense.
Oct 8 at 1:46
#5
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Sorry, but no. Columbus will keep Bjorkstrand, who they think can hit his stride and be more consistent this season, and Murray, who when he’s healthy is a good top 4 dman. From a CBJ fan it looks like a pretty big downgrade for only a 3rd. Plus we have Gavrikov who’s played pretty well in limited minutes this season. Mere would have a hard time making our line up. Our d is our biggest strength atm, so why’d have to get more future picks to make this trade or get a better option for more consistent offense.


Again I fully concede that Bjorkstrand holds more value than Armia. But doesn't replacing a 26 year old Murray with a 21 year old Mete make up that difference??? if not, so be it. it's all good. But it's laughable that you think Mete wouldn't even make your D corps.
Oct 8 at 1:55
#6
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
Again I fully concede that Bjorkstrand holds more value than Armia. But doesn't replacing a 26 year old Murray with a 21 year old Mete make up that difference??? if not, so be it. it's all good. But it's laughable that you think Mete wouldn't even make your D corps.


Mere would walk in behind a still solid top four of Jones, Werenski, Savard and Nuttivaara. He’s then have to compete for ice time with Gavrikov, Harrington and Kukan, who all know the system and playing style of the team.

You also have to remember that Murray was the 3rd overall pick and was a top prospect at one point and this the last few years has been very good when he’s been healthy.
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Oct 8 at 2:06
#7
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Mere would walk in behind a still solid top four of Jones, Werenski, Savard and Nuttivaara. He’s then have to compete for ice time with Gavrikov, Harrington and Kukan, who all know the system and playing style of the team.


That's a good counter argument. I can understand that. I didn't think of Nuttivaara. I know it's says RD everywhere, but he can play LD right? since he's left handed.

Quoting: Ajp_18
You also have to remember that Murray was the 3rd overall pick and was a top prospect at one point and this the last few years has been very good when he’s been healthy.


Not a good argument. I think Murray has shown what kind of player he is. As you said, he's a solid top 4 D, when healthy. Health is the biggest concern, seeing as he hasn't played a full season in over 3 years. At 26 years old, the 3rd overall top prospect thing doesn't really hold that much weight anymore.
Oct 8 at 6:44
#8
JarmoK
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CBJ aren’t “looking to get younger.” They’re already one of the youngest teams in the league
Oct 8 at 10:23
#9
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I'm just not seeing why Columbus does this though? Does this make them better now? No. In the future? Maybe, not guaranteed though.

A trade like this has to be a little more clear cut. One team is benefiting because of X and the other because of Y. Columbus gets a younger, const controlled dman but i pretty sure that isn't their highest motive right now. They're barely cap compliant as is.
 
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