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Another First Rounder

Created by: OldNYIfan
Initial Creation Date: Oct 6, 2019
Published: Oct 10, 2019 at 2:48
Team: 2019-20 Ottawa Senators
Team Explanation
A rebuilding team simply cannot have enough first-round picks.
Trades
OTT
  1. Rask, Victor
  2. 2021 1st round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Batherson, Drake
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (OTT)
Buyouts
  • Dion Phaneuf: $729,167
  • Alexandre Burrows: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
OTT
SJS
OTT
CBJ
DAL
OTT
TBL
SJS
STL
OTT
2021
OTT
MIN
OTT
CBJ
SJS
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
2022
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$65,719,166$0$4,285,000$15,780,834
Left WingCenterRight Wing
OTT
Tkachuk, Brady
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
OTT
Anisimov, Artem
$4,550,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
OTT
White, Colin
$4,750,000
RW, C
UFA - 6
OTT
Boedker, Mikkel
$4,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
OTT
Pageau, Jean-Gabriel
$3,100,000
C
UFA - 1
OTT
Brown, Connor
$2,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
OTT
Duclair, Anthony
$1,650,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
OTT
Tierney, Chris
$2,937,500
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Ryan, Bobby
$7,250,000
RW, LW
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Ennis, Tyler
$800,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
OTT
Chlapik, Filip
$728,333
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Sabourin, Scott
$700,000
RW
UFA - 1
OTT
Brown, Logan
$863,333
C
RFA - 2
MIN
Rask, Victor
$4,000,000
C
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
OTT
Borowiecki, Mark
$1,200,000
LD
UFA - 1
OTT
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 5
OTT
Anderson, Craig
$4,750,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
OTT
Wolanin, Christian
$900,000
LD
RFA - 2
OTT
Hainsey, Ron
$3,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
OTT
Nilsson, Anders
$2,600,000
G
UFA - 2
OTT
Brännström, Erik
$863,333
RD
RFA - 3
OTT
DeMelo, Dylan
$900,000
RD
UFA - 1
OTT
Chabot, Thomas
$863,333
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
OTT
Balcers, Rūdolfs
$759,167
RW, LW
RFA - 1
OTT
Gáborík, Marián
$4,875,000
RW
UFA - 2
OTT
Callahan, Ryan
$5,800,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
OTT
MacArthur, Clarke
$4,650,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 1

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Oct 10, 2019 at 2:52
#1
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Thats real bad from an OTT perspective. Rask and a 1st (bad contract) for a third makes more sense. OTT needs to move a centre to make room for some young guys as well not add more
Oct 10, 2019 at 2:59
#2
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Quoting: wardbell92
Thats real bad from an OTT perspective. Rask and a 1st (bad contract) for a third makes more sense. OTT needs to move a centre to make room for some young guys as well not add more


Rask and a first for a third makes no sense from Minnesota's perspective. Minnesota is moving Rask more out of convenience than necessity: they aren't under the same kind of cap pressure as Toronto, Pittsburgh and Dallas. If you don't want another first, fine. I know Melnyk is cheap, but that's carrying it too far.
Oct 10, 2019 at 4:31
#3
NowAvoidingHomework
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A rebuilding team still needs prospects to develop into talent. Batherson is looking promising. Why give that up to pay 4 million to a roster burden and draft a mid rounder 1st that could possibly be less of a hit than Batherson?
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Oct 10, 2019 at 5:00
#4
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Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
A rebuilding team still needs prospects to develop into talent. Batherson is looking promising. Why give that up to pay 4 million to a roster burden and draft a mid rounder 1st that could possibly be less of a hit than Batherson?


Yes, I agree, if your assessment of Batherson is that he has top-6 potential tending towards likelihood, then this would be a questionable idea. But since the expectation is that a mid-round first is a top 6 forward or top 4 defenseman, then if Batherson is only a bottom 6 forward, this trade makes sense. You pays your money and you takes your chances.
Oct 10, 2019 at 5:02
#5
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Rask and a first for a third makes no sense from Minnesota's perspective. Minnesota is moving Rask more out of convenience than necessity: they aren't under the same kind of cap pressure as Toronto, Pittsburgh and Dallas. If you don't want another first, fine. I know Melnyk is cheap, but that's carrying it too far.


At least make it a 2020 1st. And don't send any picks out.
Oct 10, 2019 at 5:08
#6
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Quoting: CD282
At least make it a 2020 1st. And don't send any picks out.


You already have two 2020 firsts. This gives you two 2021 firsts. Spread the risk.
Oct 10, 2019 at 5:20
#7
NowAvoidingHomework
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Yes, I agree, if your assessment of Batherson is that he has top-6 potential tending towards likelihood, then this would be a questionable idea. But since the expectation is that a mid-round first is a top 6 forward or top 4 defenseman, then if Batherson is only a bottom 6 forward, this trade makes sense. You pays your money and you takes your chances.


Yeah it really is all up to chance. I do think Batherson could be a top 6 guy. That being said, Rask could miraculously return to his old 40 pt form and the mid rounder they draft could be a 50 pt Dman while Batherson gets 30pts/season. If that's what happens then let's do this because Screw Minnesota and Screw Flanders.
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Oct 10, 2019 at 5:21
#8
NowAvoidingHomework
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Spread the risk.


There's just something about this sentance.
Oct 10, 2019 at 5:23
#9
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
You already have two 2020 firsts. This gives you two 2021 firsts. Spread the risk.


Nah, get the pick sooner, develop into a player sooner. Besides, it'll be easier to project MN's pick this year as we don't know what their roster will look like next.
Oct 10, 2019 at 5:28
#10
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Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
There's just something about this sentance.


It's the principle of both the investment and the insurance industries. But maybe I shouldn't have used in in a post about Victor Rask.
Oct 10, 2019 at 5:40
#11
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
It's the principle of both the investment and the insurance industries. But maybe I shouldn't have used in in a post about Victor Rask.


No it works with Rask. It sounds a lot less like it's about STDs in a financial context. Rask is an STD to any team he plays for now.
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Oct 10, 2019 at 8:16
#12
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"A rebuilding team simply cannot have enough first-round picks."

That is true but isn't Minnesota rebuilding as well?
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Oct 10, 2019 at 8:51
#13
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Quoting: aedoran
"A rebuilding team simply cannot have enough first-round picks."

That is true but isn't Minnesota rebuilding as well?


Yes. This is the back half of a two-trade strategy where Minnesota gets two 2020 first-round picks and therefore is in a position to trade away the 2021 pick. I was just testing the waters for the ancillary trade.
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