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Most Underrated Player in the NHL

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Oct. 14, 2019 at 5:51 p.m.
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Oct. 14, 2019 at 6:01 p.m.
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I don't think he's underrated. Criminally underpaid, yes, but that's his own fault.

I think that Couturier is pretty universally considered to be an elite two-way centerman, maybe a step below Bergeron and Kopitar when they were at their best (the former might still be), but in the same tier as Barkov and O'Reilly.
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Oct. 14, 2019 at 6:23 p.m.
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If everyone says he is underrated, then how underrated is he?

I have heard this from countless fans of all kinds over the years, and at this point he cannot be considered a underrated player.

He is damn good at doing that hockey thing, and everyone knows it!
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Oct. 14, 2019 at 6:27 p.m.
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I don't think he's underrated. Criminally underpaid, yes, but that's his own fault.

I think that Couturier is pretty universally considered to be an elite two-way centerman, maybe a step below Bergeron and Kopitar when they were at their best (the former might still be), but in the same tier as Barkov and O'Reilly.


Barkov is the 2nd best 2way C in the league now
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Oct. 15, 2019 at 8:48 p.m.
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I don't think he's underrated. Criminally underpaid, yes, but that's his own fault.

I think that Couturier is pretty universally considered to be an elite two-way centerman, maybe a step below Bergeron and Kopitar when they were at their best (the former might still be), but in the same tier as Barkov and O'Reilly.


Quoting: Ragsandbluesfan
Barkov is the 2nd best 2way C in the league now


First comparing him to ROR and Kopitar is hilarious. Couts is the 3rd best center in the league imo but there is a real argument for him being the best player in the NHL.
Oct. 15, 2019 at 8:49 p.m.
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First comparing him to ROR and Kopitar is hilarious. Couts is the 3rd best center in the league imo but there is a real argument for him being the best player in the NHL.


Stop talking, like now, barkov is better offensively and defensively
Oct. 15, 2019 at 8:51 p.m.
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First comparing him to ROR and Kopitar is hilarious. Couts is the 3rd best center in the league imo but there is a real argument for him being the best player in the NHL.


This is the underrated part... He is according to advanced stats one of the top 3 players in the League, he is insane defensively and offensively.
Oct. 15, 2019 at 8:51 p.m.
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Stop talking, like now, barkov is better offensively and defensively


He's not at all, Barkov had a bad defensive season last year. Look at couts on ice impacts they are insane.
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Oct. 15, 2019 at 8:52 p.m.
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Stop talking, like now, barkov is better offensively and defensively


Idk, he could be but Couts effects his team more than Barkov. Although they are both great players.
Oct. 15, 2019 at 10:43 p.m.
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First comparing him to ROR and Kopitar is hilarious. Couts is the 3rd best center in the league imo but there is a real argument for him being the best player in the NHL.


Couturier is better than Kopitar right now. However, Kopitar at the high point of his career was better than Couturier is now. Couturier is still getting better, so that might change in the near future, but he's not there yet.
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Oct. 16, 2019 at 3:37 a.m.
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Couturier is better than Kopitar right now. However, Kopitar at the high point of his career was better than Couturier is now. Couturier is still getting better, so that might change in the near future, but he's not there yet.


Kopitar was never a top 3 NHLer, Couturier is a top 3 NHLer right now.
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Oct. 16, 2019 at 7:40 a.m.
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Kopitar was never a top 3 NHLer, Couturier is a top 3 NHLer right now.


I agree, after Crosby and McDavid should be Couts...this is the underrated part.
Oct. 16, 2019 at 7:51 a.m.
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This is the underrated part... He is according to advanced stats one of the top 3 players in the League, he is insane defensively and offensively.


No, look more closely. His advanced stats suffer greatly if you take Giroux out of the picture. Like, he's a below average player without the captain. For instance:

2017-19 (2 years + 4 games)

59.07 GF% - together [1790:43 TOI]
47.06 GF% - Couterier without Giroux [744:13]
53.85 GF% - Giroux without Couterier [690:13]
Oct. 16, 2019 at 7:52 a.m.
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Most underrated player on this board:

Leon Draisaitl
Oct. 16, 2019 at 12:09 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 16, 2019 at 12:26 p.m.
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Kopitar was never a top 3 NHLer, Couturier is a top 3 NHLer right now.


Wayne Gretzky would disagree with you:

Wayne Gretzky: “I Think Anze Kopitar, Right Now, Is The Third-Best Player In The NHL”

Also, the argument could be made that he's better than O'Reilly, Barkov, Point, and others, but Couturier is NOT better than Patrice Bergeron, so that puts him, at best, as 4th best in the NHL.
Oct. 16, 2019 at 2:58 p.m.
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Wayne Gretzky would disagree with you:

Wayne Gretzky: “I Think Anze Kopitar, Right Now, Is The Third-Best Player In The NHL”

Also, the argument could be made that he's better than O'Reilly, Barkov, Point, and others, but Couturier is NOT better than Patrice Bergeron, so that puts him, at best, as 4th best in the NHL.


Wait...what?
Wayne Gretzky might, yea but not because of that article. It clearly says I think Kopitar is the 3rd best in the world right now. Right now was 2014.
Oct. 16, 2019 at 3:42 p.m.
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Wait...what?
Wayne Gretzky might, yea but not because of that article. It clearly says I think Kopitar is the 3rd best in the world right now. Right now was 2014.


I agree. I'm not arguing that Kopitar is the third best player in the NHL "right now" (i.e. 2019). I never said that.

@JayBeagleFanAccount said that Kopitar has never been a top three player in the NHL. Wayne Gretzky said he was in 2014. Even if it was 5-6 years ago, that means, at one point in time, Kopitar was a top three player in the NHL according to Gretzky.

The three players that I think are, without question, better than Couturier in 2019 are Crosby, McDavid, and Bergeron.
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Oct. 16, 2019 at 4:04 p.m.
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I agree. I'm not arguing that Kopitar is the third best player in the NHL "right now" (i.e. 2019). I never said that.

@JayBeagleFanAccount said that Kopitar has never been a top three player in the NHL. Wayne Gretzky said he was in 2014. Even if it was 5-6 years ago, that means, at one point in time, Kopitar was a top three player in the NHL according to Gretzky.

The three players that I think are, without question, better than Couturier in 2019 are Crosby, McDavid, and Bergeron.


I think Bergeron is good, but Couturier had a influence on yisnte that was comparable to Crosby last year. Not saying he is as good as the first 2 but he could be as good or better than Couts...
Determining top 3-10 players depends so much on your preference in how people play.
 
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