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3 Way WPG NJD

Created by: Shibbal18
Initial Creation Date: Oct 15, 2019
Published: Oct 15 at 12:11 pm
Team: 2019-20 Buffalo Sabres
Trades
BUF
  1. Blaisdell, Harrison [Reserve List]
  2. Copp, Andrew
  3. 2020 1st round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
BUF
  1. Palmieri, Kyle
  2. Thompson, Tyce [Reserve List]
  3. Seney, Brett
NJD
  1. Copp, Andrew
  2. Scandella, Marco
  3. 2020 1st round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
Gets the lowest of the 2 firsts
BUF
    WPG
    1. Seney, Brett
    Buyouts
    • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
    • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
    • Ville Leino: $0
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2020
    WPG
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    DAL
    2021
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    2022
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    BUF
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$71,871,667$0$4,682,500$9,628,333
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    BUF
    Olofsson, Victor
    $767,500
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Eichel, Jack
    $10,000,000
    C
    UFA - 7
    BUF
    Reinhart, Sam
    $3,650,000
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Skinner, Jeff
    $9,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 8
    BUF
    Johansson, Marcus
    $4,500,000
    C, LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Sobotka, Vladimír
    $3,500,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Vesey, Jimmy
    $2,275,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Mittelstadt, Casey
    $925,000
    C
    RFA - 1
    NJD
    Palmieri, Kyle
    $4,650,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Girgensons, Zemgus
    $1,600,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Larsson, Johan
    $1,550,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Okposo, Kyle
    $6,000,000
    RW
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    BUF
    Dahlin, Rasmus
    $925,000
    LD
    RFA - 2
    BUF
    Miller, Colin
    $3,875,000
    RD
    UFA - 3
    BUF
    Hutton, Carter
    $2,750,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    McCabe, Jake
    $2,850,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    BUF
    Montour, Brandon
    $3,387,500
    RD
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Ullmark, Linus
    $1,325,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Pilut, Lawrence
    $925,000
    LD
    RFA - 1
    BUF
    Jokiharju, Henri
    $925,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    BUF
    Gilmour, John
    $700,000
    D
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Bogosian, Zach
    $5,142,857
    RD
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Sheary, Conor
    $3,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Hunwick, Matt
    $2,250,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    BUF
    Rodrigues, Evan
    $2,000,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1

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    Oct 15 at 12:17
    #1
    wpg
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    jets say not a chance
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    Oct 15 at 12:20
    #2
    TrueNorth
    Joined: May 2016
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    I'm not denying that the Jets could use a minute munching RHD but I have reservations about Ristolainen. Guy is a career -143 +/-. Even this season when the team is 5-0-1 and +12 through 6 games, he is still a 0 +/-. In past seasons the excuse has always been that he is a good defender on a bad team. That can't be said anymore. Is it possible that he just isn't very good defensively?
    Oct 15 at 12:29
    #3
    Formerly klondikebar
    Joined: Mar 2019
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    Ah, yes, the classic “trade away half the value than you receive” strategy
    Oct 15 at 12:42
    #4
    Thread Starter
    Shibbal18
    Joined: Jan 2016
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    Quoting: AndrewLadd
    Ah, yes, the classic “trade away half the value than you receive” strategy


    If you mean the Sabres are then yes
    Oct 15 at 12:44
    #5
    Thread Starter
    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: TrueNorth
    I'm not denying that the Jets could use a minute munching RHD but I have reservations about Ristolainen. Guy is a career -143 +/-. Even this season when the team is 5-0-1 and +12 through 6 games, he is still a 0 +/-. In past seasons the excuse has always been that he is a good defender on a bad team. That can't be said anymore. Is it possible that he just isn't very good defensively?


    Risto hasnt been a problem on defense this season, +/- is universally known as a garbage stat
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    Oct 15 at 12:44
    #6
    TrueNorth
    Joined: May 2016
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Risto hasnt been a problem on defense this season, +/- is universally known as a garbage stat


    Except on the scoreboard.
    Oct 15 at 12:46
    #7
    Thread Starter
    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: TrueNorth
    Except on the scoreboard.


    5-0-1, scoreboard seems fine. Risto is again leading the Sabres D in TOI with 25 minutes, if he was so bad Sabres would be getting shelled
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    Oct 15 at 1:16
    #8
    Analytics are good
    Joined: Jan 2018
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    So a good 2C and a 1st in a stacked draft for Ristolainen?

    Makes sense rolling eyes
    Oct 15 at 1:53
    #9
    Thread Starter
    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: PenGoater99
    So a good 2C and a 1st in a stacked draft for Ristolainen?

    Makes sense rolling eyes


    Copps not a 2C, hes only there because of injuries. I'd also be surprised if that pick was top 10 so youre still getting a project player. Every draft is stacked until 3 years later when 14% of the first round is a NHLer
    Oct 15 at 1:54
    #10
    Joined: Jun 2018
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    5-0-1, scoreboard seems fine. Risto is again leading the Sabres D in TOI with 25 minutes, if he was so bad Sabres would be getting shelled


    This right here. Everyone loves to rag on Risto (some of it very much warranted), but the facts are the Sabres are 5-0-1 and Defensively look great and Risto is STILL leading the team in TOI with roughly 25 minutes played a night.

    People can't have it both ways. I think more then anything the start to this year shows just how bad of a coach Housley was. People should be focusing in on how horrible Housley was at deploying players, and consistently put them in the wrong situations. Kreuger is showing just how great Risto can be when used properly.
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    Oct 15 at 4:47
    #11
    Analytics are good
    Joined: Jan 2018
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Copps not a 2C, hes only there because of injuries. I'd also be surprised if that pick was top 10 so youre still getting a project player. Every draft is stacked until 3 years later when 14% of the first round is a NHLer


    Copp is a good defensive 2C. He only normally plays on the 3rd line because Paul Maurice is an idiot and doesn't know how to optimize his lineup.
    Oct 15 at 5:00
    #12
    Analytics are good
    Joined: Jan 2018
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    Quoting: corsiagainst
    This right here. Everyone loves to rag on Risto (some of it very much warranted), but the facts are the Sabres are 5-0-1 and Defensively look great and Risto is STILL leading the team in TOI with roughly 25 minutes played a night.

    People can't have it both ways. I think more then anything the start to this year shows just how bad of a coach Housley was. People should be focusing in on how horrible Housley was at deploying players, and consistently put them in the wrong situations. Kreuger is showing just how great Risto can be when used properly.


    You do know that Ristolainen still hasn't been that great right? He's still been below average
    Oct 15 at 7:05
    #13
    Thread Starter
    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: PenGoater99
    Copp is a good defensive 2C. He only normally plays on the 3rd line because Paul Maurice is an idiot and doesn't know how to optimize his lineup.


    Even Winnipeg fans see him as a good 3c
    Oct 16 at 9:17
    #14
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    Quoting: PenGoater99
    You do know that Ristolainen still hasn't been that great right? He's still been below average


    I'm sorry but that's just incorrect.
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    Oct 17 at 1:06
    #15
    Analytics are good
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    Quoting: corsiagainst
    I'm sorry but that's just incorrect.


    I mean: 47.96 CF%, -5.86 Rel CF%, 49.1 xGF%, -6.06 Rel xGF%, -12.5 Rel GF%, 3.11 xGA

    So yeah, he hasn't exactly been as good as you think
    Oct 17 at 1:07
    #16
    Analytics are good
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Even Winnipeg fans see him as a good 3c


    OK and? That doesn't mean anything. Just because Winnipeg fans say so, doesn't mean he is.
    Oct 17 at 1:27
    #17
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    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: PenGoater99
    OK and? That doesn't mean anything. Just because Winnipeg fans say so, doesn't mean he is.


    I feel like WPG would know their players the best (and be huge homers who over value their players)
    Oct 17 at 1:36
    #18
    Analytics are good
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    I feel like WPG would know their players the best (and be huge homers who over value their players)


    Yea because fan opinion is the best way to evaluate players
    Oct 17 at 8:56
    #19
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    Quoting: PenGoater99
    I mean: 47.96 CF%, -5.86 Rel CF%, 49.1 xGF%, -6.06 Rel xGF%, -12.5 Rel GF%, 3.11 xGA

    So yeah, he hasn't exactly been as good as you think


    I never said he's been great or even good. I'm not a Risto fan boy or anything; in fact I'm fairly quick to criticize him. I did infer he's play has been much better and that point still stands. If you want to reference the analytics that point still stands. He's been better. Hopefully it continues.
    Oct 17 at 12:08
    #20
    Analytics are good
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    Quoting: corsiagainst
    I never said he's been great or even good. I'm not a Risto fan boy or anything; in fact I'm fairly quick to criticize him. I did infer he's play has been much better and that point still stands. If you want to reference the analytics that point still stands. He's been better. Hopefully it continues.


    I said that he hasn't been that good, you said that was wrong, you were indirectly saying he's been somewhat good. The stats show he hasn't.
    Oct 17 at 2:05
    #21
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    Quoting: PenGoater99
    I said that he hasn't been that good, you said that was wrong, you were indirectly saying he's been somewhat good. The stats show he hasn't.


    His TOI has remained the same and his advanced stats have improved. He hasn't been the anchor he's been in the past. If you watch the game you can also blatantly see he's playing better*. That's all I really care about. He's definitely not as good as some care to think but he's not as bad as people seem to think either.

    *he did play horribly last night against the ducks
    Oct 17 at 2:09
    #22
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    Shibbal18
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    Quoting: PenGoater99
    I said that he hasn't been that good, you said that was wrong, you were indirectly saying he's been somewhat good. The stats show he hasn't.


    Whats stats? His +/-? rofl
     
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