Take 3 mil off shatt's deal and add 2 of it on to muzzin's deal and you start to be in the ball park for the right contracts.
That Mayfield trade is a egregiously awful overpayment by the leafs and your lineup decisions are just awful.

AH YES, Its you again! I forgot you know everything. Perhaps you weren't aware that Muzzin is the kind of guy that will take a discount if he loves being a Leaf. Shatts is worth 4.5 the way he is playing in tampa and will continue to play good. Leafs have a similar system to the Lightning and I am sure he will adjust fine. My lines are fine the way they are. Its called balancing out depth, but I am sure you've never heard of it.

If you knew anything about Mayfield you'd know that he is a solid defensive dman who can play on the top pair. He is also on a cheaper deal at 1.454m for the next 3 years and Kapanan is 3.2m. The trade is fine the way it is.

I don't know everything, but this response proves I know a hell of a lot more than you.

Shattenkirk makes a lot of sense IMO hes a cheaper offensive defenseman and would fit great on the leafs 2nd PP. The term is a little short though, i think at age 30 he will at least want 4 years.

why sign shattenkirk and restrict the development of Dermott and sandin as top 4 guys?

Expecting Muzzin to take a discount is irrational. He'll hold out for good money or just leave if he can't get it.

There's a reason Shattenkirk got bought out this summer. He's scored a few goals, sure, but he's awful in his own end. He's not good, certainly not worth the amount of term or dollars you gave him.

Matt Martin is really unnecessary, as is Trevor Lewis, there are better and more skilled 4th liners who can sign for 750k each, instead of a combined 2.5M, saving the Leafs some cap space. Never pay for 4th liners.

I don't have any problems with the Mayfield trade, he's a solid player and a 1-for-1 with Kapanen is fair, so I'll give you that.

There's no point keeping Sandin in the NHL if he's not going to sit in the press box, he's a player the team wants to develop and the only way to develop a guy is to actually play him.

You obviously dont know anything about Muzzin. He's not like all the other greedy players on the Leafs. GMs love him.

If the Leafs want to win a cup then they will need solid experienced 4th liners. Hence Lewis and Martin. Who is cheaper than them and better? Martin isn't great I know that but he plays a good physical game and back it up Leafs need toughness. Lewis is a 2 time cup winner that won't cost much.

Shattenkirk went bad because he played on a horrible Rangers team where nobody was great offensively. Just keep watching him. He'll keep producing. It's worth it and close to harmless. At 4.5x2 if it doesn't work out someone will give him a shot and trade.

How so?

you might be right. If it's 4 than its 4:/

Because the Leafs window for a cup is open and it won't be forever.
It's also only for 2 years. Mayfield 3 and Muzz 4

Just because your cup window is open doesn't mean you can't develop your youngsters. Look at the Blues, gave guys like Thomas and Dunn and even Binnington big roles on their way to a cup. The caps gave Vrana, Wilson, Djoos, etc. The Penguins before that gave guys like Guentzel, Sheary, Dumoulin, Murray opportunities. Developing prospects isn't hindering your cup window, it makes your cup chances even better when your in-house prospects develop over fringe UFAs.



Just because Muzzin is a good teammate/leader doesn't mean he wants to get paid. He also hasn't negotiated a contract in 5 years and it's the general consensus around the league that he's underpaid. 3.5 is ABSURDLY low for Muzzin.

Paying 2.5 million for 2 4th liners isn't ever a good idea. You can find cheap depth, like the Leafs have done this year. Timashov, Shore, Gauthier, Spezza, Petan, Agostino, Aberg, all these guys are signed for less than 850k and they're 4th liners who are more skilled than Lewis and Martin. That's why Dubas signed them: cheap depth to compete for 4th line roles.

If you're serious about your "cup window", than paying 4.5 million in salary to a bad player is going to hurt you a whole lot more than playing Sandin and Dermott, which is what you said earlier. Dermott is already better than Shattenkirk, Sandin could be as soon as next year.

at the very least one of mayfield or shattenkirk are not needed because on of Dermott/sandin will be able to play top 4 no problem. I think both will and I also think kapanen is worth more than mayfield but its not that far off

If you actually read what I said about the Shattenkirk signing I shouldn't need to explain further. Blues were close to the bottom of the league. They were far from a cup as far as they were concerned so using them as an example isn't a good idea. None of those guys that you mention are not more skilled than Lewis. Lewis is good enough to play on the 3rd line. He just happens to make the perfect 4th liner.

I think if you learned anything in the last few years you'd know that player contracts and salary's are very unpredictable. Like Spezza for example he would make a great 3C easily worth 3.5m if he signed somewhere else. He wanted to be in Toronto so he took a discount. Muzz loves Toronto and I believe he is from there. So saying there is no way he will sign 3.5m for 4 years is an uneducated statement.

If you really think having just Reilly Muzzin Dermott and Sandin in the top 4 are going to take the Leafs to the Stanley Cup you are crazy.

The team also lacks Stanley Cup final and 3rd round experience. That's something Muzzin, Lewis, and Shattenkirk bring.

It's uneducated to think Muzzin would accept a PAY CUT when he could get 2 million more than what you gave him. Not just a discount to stay in Toronto, 3.5 is even LESS than he's making now.
You think paying a combined 7 million for some plugs (Martin, Lewis and Shattenkirk) based on their experience in the finals is a good idea. You think Spezza could have got 3.5 million. You think Shattenkirk makes a top-4 better than Sandin or Dermott. C'mon, give me a break.

And for the record, it doesn't matter where the Blues were in December. Their names are on the Stanley Cup, that's all that matters.

This can’t be a serious post can it?

It's right up there isn't it? You ask too many stupid questions.