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Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 17, 2019
Published: Oct. 17, 2019
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Getting hall right now is the best way to squeeze the last competitive years of Crosby and malkin. If the pens can get rid of gudbranson and Johnson's contracts and then move one of Rust, Bjugstad, or hornqvist along with desmith in the off-season they would be able to trade for hall this year and resign him to play with crosby and malkin until they retire so they have a chance to win a championship every year until that happens. With the way these kids are playing, you can afford to lose those forwards. That kind of depth would be unmatched by pretty much anyone in the league. Plus this clears up the d situation and gets rikola in where he should be at this point in his career and when shultz is gone next year cause he will be asking to much this opens the door for kids like addison and POJ and when bjugstad is up, for legare and poulin.

This team would be set up for the remainder of crosby's deal as malkin already said he wanted to sign a three year deal when his contract is up.

The deal for hall seems more than fair in my opinion, they get a top six forward in Gally, a top 9 guy in Kahun, a first and second rounder, and an A- to B+ prospect in Hallander.

It is a move that GMJR at least has to try for cause he won't get a better opportunity to set this team up than this.
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PIT
  1. 2020 5th round pick (ANA)
ANA
  1. Gudbranson, Erik
  2. 2020 6th round pick (PIT)
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3.
PIT
  1. Hall, Taylor
Additional Details:
signs 6 x $10.5M extension
NJD
  1. Galchenyuk, Alex
  2. Hållander, Filip
  3. Kahun, Dominik
  4. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
  5. 2021 2nd round pick (PIT)
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23$81,500,000$67,399,125$132,500$982,500$14,100,875

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C
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LW
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
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LD
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RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$675,000$675,000
G
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$700,000$700,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Oct. 17, 2019 at 11:00 a.m.
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massive over pay on hall.
He's a rental. His trade deadline is going to be a 1st and prospect most likely. So that's a lot to offer up. He will also test FA, he's not going to sign an extension just because he was traded.
On top of it he's making at least 11 million next year so the cap would be a mess. Not that it can't happen, but a player like Bjugstad has to be moved.

I also don't like dumping Rust. Rust is a very fast player. This is a team trying to win on speed. I know Hall is fast but why keep a player like Bjugstad and dump Rust.
It's like shooting yourself in the foot to keep Bjugstad and Hornqvist and dumping Rust.
Oct. 17, 2019 at 11:17 a.m.
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massive over pay on hall.
He's a rental. His trade deadline is going to be a 1st and prospect most likely. So that's a lot to offer up. He will also test FA, he's not going to sign an extension just because he was traded.
On top of it he's making at least 11 million next year so the cap would be a mess. Not that it can't happen, but a player like Bjugstad has to be moved.

I also don't like dumping Rust. Rust is a very fast player. This is a team trying to win on speed. I know Hall is fast but why keep a player like Bjugstad and dump Rust.
It's like shooting yourself in the foot to keep Bjugstad and Hornqvist and dumping Rust.


I don't think it really matters between bjugstad or rust, but either way one has to go to make space for the new kids, and if you look at the long-term outlook for 2020 the team would have almost 30 million in cap space without a cap increase which would leave a ton of space for hall even if you added in the extra 500k to make the deal 11 million a year. At this point the pens have to many NHL forwards and defensemen so they need to use it to make the team better right now
Oct. 17, 2019 at 11:26 a.m.
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GMJR has said this years first rounder is off the table. He really wants to keep it because of how deep the draft class is. Maybe next years first?
Oct. 17, 2019 at 11:33 a.m.
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GMJR has said this years first rounder is off the table. He really wants to keep it because of how deep the draft class is. Maybe next years first?


Yeah, that is an option, but it would decrease the value of the package so the question becomes is it still enough to get him?
Oct. 17, 2019 at 11:39 a.m.
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GMJR has said this years first rounder is off the table. He really wants to keep it because of how deep the draft class is. Maybe next years first?


Every year it's more risky to trade a 1st on this team. I don't know. I think he could move the 1st but there is I think the realization that they need cheap young legs if they are going to extend crosby past 2 years.

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I don't think it really matters between bjugstad or rust, but either way one has to go to make space for the new kids, and if you look at the long-term outlook for 2020 the team would have almost 30 million in cap space without a cap increase which would leave a ton of space for hall even if you added in the extra 500k to make the deal 11 million a year. At this point the pens have to many NHL forwards and defensemen so they need to use it to make the team better right now


they don't have 30 million in cap space. On top of it they have other people to sign.
There are other ACGM on there, I have done one myself that shows it's actually a tight squeeze to get him in at 11 million. pieces have to be moved, and it's if they can move all of them.
Oct. 17, 2019 at 11:48 a.m.
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they don't have 30 million in cap space. On top of it they have other people to sign.
There are other ACGM on there, I have done one myself that shows it's actually a tight squeeze to get him in at 11 million. pieces have to be moved, and it's if they can move all of them.


If you look at the 2020-21 long term outlook it says they have 29.5 million in projected cap space to resign Hall, Murray , McCann, and Pettersson as the big names the others are smaller 1 mil or less for the most part. I think the pens are gonna let shultz walk unless he takes a deal like dumo's so they don't have to worry about his cap hit.
Oct. 17, 2019 at 12:37 p.m.
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If you look at the 2020-21 long term outlook it says they have 29.5 million in projected cap space to resign Hall, Murray , McCann, and Pettersson as the big names the others are smaller 1 mil or less for the most part. I think the pens are gonna let shultz walk unless he takes a deal like dumo's so they don't have to worry about his cap hit.


Murray is 6-8
Pettersson probably 4-5
McCann probably 3.5 deal.
On the low end you are at 14 million there roughly. And that's not including the other 4 people that will be signed, even if they all go league min which they may or may not, you are looking at roughly 18 million leaving you scraping by if you sign Hall.
Which was the point. There isn't really 30 million of cap space. That's an unrealistic way to look at it. Yes technically there is, but in reality there is not.
Oct. 17, 2019 at 12:46 p.m.
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Murray is 6-8
Pettersson probably 4-5
McCann probably 3.5 deal.
On the low end you are at 14 million there roughly. And that's not including the other 4 people that will be signed, even if they all go league min which they may or may not, you are looking at roughly 18 million leaving you scraping by if you sign Hall.
Which was the point. There isn't really 30 million of cap space. That's an unrealistic way to look at it. Yes technically there is, but in reality there is not.


I see what you're saying, my entire point though was that there would be enough room to resign him
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Oct. 17, 2019 at 12:55 p.m.
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I see what you're saying, my entire point though was that there would be enough room to resign him


yes there would, I admitted that prior. But it's a lot tighter at 11 million than you are realizing. If a team bid him up to 12, he'd be gone. I don't think they could swing it. And that would be without signing AG, Schultz, trading Jugs, JJ, amd Gudbranson.
There are a lot of parts that have to happen there to make it work.
I'm not saying it's not possible. I'm just realistic about it.
Oct. 17, 2019 at 12:58 p.m.
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I see what you're saying, my entire point though was that there would be enough room to resign him


I've done a construction based upon the simpler premise that Hall just signs in Pittsburgh as a free agent for $78MM ($11,142,857 x 7). Here's what that would require:

1. buying out Johnson (no problem)
2. trading Gudbranson (probably do-able)
3. trading one of Bjugstad or Rust (possible)
4. re-signing Murray at $6.5MM or less (possible)
5. re-signing Pettersson for less than $4MM (possible)
6. re-signing Kahun and Simon for an aggregate of $3MM or less (quite possible)
7. letting Galchenyuk and McCann walk (is Hall > Galchenyuk and McCann?)
8. letting Schultz walk (apparently, a foregone conclusion)

As you can see, although most if not all of the steps are within reason, it still would take a lot of things to fall into place to do this comfortably.
 
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