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Hall and Vatanen to COL for Bowen Byram

Created by: KenDaneykosDentist
Initial Creation Date: Oct 17, 2019
Published: Oct 17 at 11:53 pm
Team: 2019-20 New Jersey Devils
Trades
NJD
  1. Byram, Bowen
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Hall, Taylor
  2. Vatanen, Sami ($2,000,000 retained)
  3. 2020 4th round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Johnson, Jack
  2. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. 2022 5th round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Backes, David
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Anderson, Joseph
  2. 2020 4th round pick (BOS)
NJD
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (FLA)
FLA
  1. Simmonds, Wayne ($2,000,000 retained)
Buyouts
  • Mike Cammalleri: $1,666,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Sami Vatanen: $2,000,000 (41.03%)
  • Wayne Simmonds: $2,000,000 (40%)
Recapture Fees
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
NJD
PIT
BOS
FLA
NJD
NJD
NJD
2021
NJD
COL
BOS
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
2022
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
CBJ
NJD
NJD
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$74,165,832$0$6,557,500$7,334,168
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NJD
Zacha, Pavel
$2,250,000
C
RFA - 3
NJD
Hughes, Jack
$925,000
C
RFA - 3
NJD
Coleman, Blake
$1,800,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
NJD
Gusev, Nikita
$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
NJD
Hischier, Nico
$925,000
C
UFA - 1
NJD
Bratt, Jesper
$749,167
LW, RW
RFA - 1
NJD
Boqvist, Jesper
$925,000
C, LW, RW
RFA - 3
NJD
Zajac, Travis
$5,750,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
NJD
Palmieri, Kyle
$4,650,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
NJD
Wood, Miles
$2,750,000
LW
RFA - 3
NJD
Mcleod, Michael
$863,333
C
RFA - 2
NJD
Bastian, Nathan
$714,166
RW, C
RFA - 2
NJD
Rooney, Kevin
$700,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
BOS
Backes, David
$6,000,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NJD
Greene, Andy
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Subban, P.K.
$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
NJD
Schneider, Cory
$6,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
NJD
Butcher, Will
$3,733,333
LD
UFA - 3
NJD
Severson, Damon
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 4
NJD
Blackwood, Mackenzie
$697,500
G
RFA - 1
NJD
Mueller, Mirco
$1,400,000
LD
RFA - 1
NJD
Carrick, Connor
$1,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
PIT
Johnson, Jack
$3,250,000
LD
UFA - 4

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Oct 18 at 3:48
#1
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1 year of Hall isnt worth Byram
Oct 18 at 7:44
#2
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Quoting: MadmanFromMadison
1 year of Hall isnt worth Byram


I agree but I think he is assuming an extension would be in place which makes the return much more reasonable
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Oct 18 at 7:57
#3
Joined: May 2017
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I think they keep byram, then try and resign hall in the offseason if that's what they want to do... as an avs fan I would like to see hall on the team but as a rational fan I realize it's probably a no go
Oct 18 at 8:59
#4
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They won't give up Byram. He has too high of a ceiling to be traded. Kaut, Jost, or even Newhook are more likely to be moved.
Oct 18 at 11:10
#5
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dear lord...avs are not going to trade Byram

Stop it
Oct 18 at 11:13
#6
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Quoting: TMG
I agree but I think he is assuming an extension would be in place which makes the return much more reasonable


even an extension in place, Avs arent trading Byram, he is a key cog in their long term plan. Makar, Giard, Byram, Timmins is their Top 4 core they are transitioning into. Avs dont need superstar scoring winger, they have that already.

Hall doesnt solve a need for them, Byram establishes a young high end D core for the next decade. He isnt going anywhere.
Oct 18 at 11:22
#7
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 639
Likes: 161
Quoting: coga16
even an extension in place, Avs arent trading Byram, he is a key cog in their long term plan. Makar, Giard, Byram, Timmins is their Top 4 core they are transitioning into. Avs dont need superstar scoring winger, they have that already.

Hall doesnt solve a need for them, Byram establishes a young high end D core for the next decade. He isnt going anywhere.


Well all your doing right now is hoping that he will. Byram looks to be a can't miss prospect but time will tell if that's the case. I see the merit to this Hall deal for the Avs though. Outside of the top line the quality of truly threatening offensive players is a big drop. Having Hall on a second line with Kadri is a luxury very few team's have. The scoring would be truly spread throughout the lineup. While Colorado is a young team they are also appproaching Win Now mode with new deals for the likes of Mackinnon, Makar, Landeskog, Grubauer, etc. on the horizon. Byram is still probably at least two years away from being an established top four defenseman which coincides with some of the players needing new contracts that I mentionned above. While this would be really nice to still have Byram on and ELC while your other players are getting PAID there is also certainly a case to be made to go all in on this core while they are primed and cheap for the next few seasons. That's just my opinion, I think before the Avs become cap strapped in a few years they should use this time to truly go for it, and I think that in these few years they have a better chance at the cup with Hall in the present than they do with Byram in the future.
Oct 18 at 11:31
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Edited Oct 18 at 11:36
Quoting: TMG
Well all your doing right now is hoping that he will. Byram looks to be a can't miss prospect but time will tell if that's the case. I see the merit to this Hall deal for the Avs though. Outside of the top line the quality of truly threatening offensive players is a big drop. Having Hall on a second line with Kadri is a luxury very few team's have. The scoring would be truly spread throughout the lineup. While Colorado is a young team they are also appproaching Win Now mode with new deals for the likes of Mackinnon, Makar, Landeskog, Grubauer, etc. on the horizon. Byram is still probably at least two years away from being an established top four defenseman which coincides with some of the players needing new contracts that I mentionned above. While this would be really nice to still have Byram on and ELC while your other players are getting PAID there is also certainly a case to be made to go all in on this core while they are primed and cheap for the next few seasons. That's just my opinion, I think before the Avs become cap strapped in a few years they should use this time to truly go for it, and I think that in these few years they have a better chance at the cup with Hall in the present than they do with Byram in the future.


Avs have a window to be competitive for a very long time, Byram and his ELC extend that, thats how teams fall into the trap...burning all their assets in trying to win it now with rentals and high priced UFAs.

Hall is a nice to have, but htey dont need him, they need guys like Byram who is a high end prospect playing on his ELC to help extend the window more than they need a 10-12m winger

I disagree your scoring. Right now Avs have 3 other lines who can all score, its quality scoring depth spread throughout after the top line. The Avs top line arent scoring the majority of the goals, its balanced scoring right now

Avs have 24 goals on the season...9 are from the top line (2 of those are empty net goals). It may not be sexy scoring out of the top 3 but its damn effective
 
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