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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 18, 2019
Published: Oct. 18, 2019
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@drewjenks .........
Free Agent Signings
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2$875,000
2$900,000
2$2,000,000
2$750,000
2$750,000
3$3,000,000
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5$7,500,000
4$5,500,000
1$700,000
2$750,000
1$700,000
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2020
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2021
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23$83,000,000$85,375,616$0$400,000-$2,375,616
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 4
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
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$900,000$900,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
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$875,000$875,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
C, LW, RW
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$750,000$750,000
C
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LD
UFA - 4
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167
LD
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$737,500$737,500
LW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
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$750,000$750,000
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Oct. 18, 2019 at 7:59 a.m.
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@drewjenks .........
Oct. 18, 2019 at 8:02 a.m.
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Math is hard
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Oct. 18, 2019 at 8:11 a.m.
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I also find it funny when people think Barrie will sign for any less than 8 Million (at least with the leafs). Dubas can't even talk players down who he has some control over, how is he supposed to talk down a guy who can just go to UFA
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Oct. 18, 2019 at 8:31 a.m.
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I also find it funny when people think Barrie will sign for any less than 8 Million (at least with the leafs). Dubas can't even talk players down who he has some control over, how is he supposed to talk down a guy who can just go to UFA


Yeah. I can see Muzzin taking a discount. Not really Barrie though
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Oct. 18, 2019 at 8:32 a.m.
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Math is hard


Isn't it?
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Oct. 18, 2019 at 8:32 a.m.
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Most of the Leafs fans dont even count on re-signing Barrie next year.. he would not be a Leaf next year which is fine.
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Oct. 18, 2019 at 9:08 a.m.
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I also find it funny when people think Barrie will sign for any less than 8 Million (at least with the leafs). Dubas can't even talk players down who he has some control over, how is he supposed to talk down a guy who can just go to UFA


Tavares....
Oct. 18, 2019 at 9:09 a.m.
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Tavares....


Didn't get talked down. He basically said give me 11 or I'm not signing
Oct. 18, 2019 at 9:15 a.m.
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Didn't get talked down. He basically said give me 11 or I'm not signing


Was offered 13m from ny and sj.
Oct. 18, 2019 at 9:16 a.m.
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With Andersen and Rielly contracts coming up and Hyman being the only +1M contract coming off the books between then, signing Barrie (for his minimum 8M) would be the absolute stupidest thing Dubas could do. I would highly suggest someone like Shattenkirk next year who shouldn't cost more than 4.5M max (probably less) if you need another offensive defenseman.
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Oct. 18, 2019 at 9:17 a.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Was offered 13m from ny and sj.


That's not getting talked down, that's taking less money to play where you want to. Dubas payed what he had to. Also keeping a UFA and poaching a UFA are very different.
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Oct. 18, 2019 at 9:58 a.m.
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Quoting: CrossFireX33
I also find it funny when people think Barrie will sign for any less than 8 Million (at least with the leafs). Dubas can't even talk players down who he has some control over, how is he supposed to talk down a guy who can just go to UFA


You might want to wait to see how his season goes before you anoint him with $8,000,000+

Gardiner took $4,000,000 when everyone thought he was getting around $7 million the year prior.
Oct. 18, 2019 at 10:02 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
With Andersen and Rielly contracts coming up and Hyman being the only +1M contract coming off the books between then, signing Barrie (for his minimum 8M) would be the absolute stupidest thing Dubas could do. I would highly suggest someone like Shattenkirk next year who shouldn't cost more than 4.5M max (probably less) if you need another offensive defenseman.


I did a post on signing shatt at 4.5M for 2 years and everyone gave me crap but I still think its the best option considering the leafs cap situation and the fact that they need to sign at least 2 more dmen after that
Oct. 18, 2019 at 10:03 a.m.
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Quoting: drewjenks
You might want to wait to see how his season goes before you anoint him with $8,000,000+

Gardiner took $4,000,000 when everyone thought he was getting around $7 million the year prior.


I was going off of his rumored asking price. Unless I see something legitamate that says different than 8 Million, I'm going to assume that's what he'll get
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Oct. 18, 2019 at 10:40 a.m.
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I did a post on signing shatt at 4.5M for 2 years and everyone gave me crap but I still think its the best option considering the leafs cap situation and the fact that they need to sign at least 2 more dmen after that


Yeah i responded to that with he will want at least 4 years, nevertheless my points on signing Barrie still stand. You can fill the back end with AHL contracts and expect it to hold up
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Oct. 18, 2019 at 10:45 a.m.
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Yeah i responded to that with he will want at least 4 years, nevertheless my points on signing Barrie still stand. You can fill the back end with AHL contracts and expect it to hold up


Can or can't? I think you are right, if Shatt does good all season in Tampa then it would be proof enough he is worth the 4 years.
Oct. 18, 2019 at 10:47 a.m.
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Can or can't? I think you are right, if Shatt does good all season in Tampa then it would be proof enough he is worth the 4 years.


*Cant, mb autocorrect + multitasking
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Oct. 18, 2019 at 11:10 a.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
*Cant, mb autocorrect + multitasking


I was pretty sure it was Can't lol. There are some people on here that would say can
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Oct. 18, 2019 at 12:10 p.m.
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@drewjenks .........


Quoting: CrossFireX33
Math is hard


Quoting: SammyT_51
Most of the Leafs fans dont even count on re-signing Barrie next year.. he would not be a Leaf next year which is fine.


Quoting: Jamiepo
Tavares....


Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
With Andersen and Rielly contracts coming up and Hyman being the only +1M contract coming off the books between then, signing Barrie (for his minimum 8M) would be the absolute stupidest thing Dubas could do. I would highly suggest someone like Shattenkirk next year who shouldn't cost more than 4.5M max (probably less) if you need another offensive defenseman.


Question to BF3351 ... What are you trying to accomplish with your plan of:

1) Ignoring everything I said in our discussion (link to it below).
2) Then mis-quoting me and making an entire team with fake numbers.
3) Just to display that I'm "wrong" or don't know hockey / don't know math ???

I'm kinda interested in learning your mindset LOL ... but here are the actual numbers quoted from my comment (the one you based this team off):


QUOTE 1 = "Required Signings = 3 defensemen (Dermott = $2,000,000 / Muzzin = $5,000,000 / Barrie = $7,000,000)"


If we make the honest adjustments:

- Dermott = $2,000,000 x 1/2 years (not $3,000,000 x 3) Dermott hasn't left the Leafs bottom pair (and he'll likely stay there this season).
- Muzzin = $5,000,000 x 6/7 years (not $5,500,000 x 4) Muzzin likely prefers an extra $8,000,000 - $13,000,000 over a slightly higher cap no?
- Barrie = $7,000,000 x 7/8 years (not $7,500,000 x 5) Barrie likely prefers an extra $12,000,000 - $18,000,000 over a slightly higher cap no?

Boom ... now we're only $350,000 over your salary cap (which is $1,000,000 less than the $84,000,000 cap that the NHL recently projected).
Their projections aren't always perfect (last years was off) but they're usually solid (and I assume that they want to avoid making the same mistake twice in a row).
End result = The above team now have $650,000 in cap-space ... and all you had to not intentionally mis-quote me.
However ... I'll add one more of my quotes ... just to ensure that "my team" is cap-compliant in any situation:


QUOTE 2 = "They really don't have to sign Barrie if he wants too much money. They could also trade Kappy + Hyman for help on defense or cap-space"


The key points to pick up on are:

- Barrie doesn't have to be re-signed (depends on his price) and if he has a down year he may get less than expected (Gardiner's a good example of this).
- Kapanen + Hyman can be traded for help on defense (not just given away for nothing ... as in your above example for some reason).
- Packaging Kappy + Hyman (plus futures if needed) easily nets the Leafs a serviceable defensemen or two (to replace Barrie).
- Toronto is giving up two young(ish) forwards on team-friendly deals (so the defenders coming back should cost less than Barrie).
- The easiest option is to replace Barrie with a less expensive UFA (someone with less offense but solid defense ... which might improve the team).

If they let Barrie walk and replace him with a RD in the $3,000,000 - $5,000,000 range (via signing or trade) ... than your above team now has:

- $2,650,000 - $4,650,000 in excess cap-space
- A full 23 man roster with respectable defense:


Rielly - Acquired ($3,000,000 - $5,000,000 player)
Muzzin - Dermott
Sandin - Liljegren
Harpur - Holl
Gravel - Schmaltz

So yeah ... I'm surprised you took your response this far (without intending to being honest) ... but I got 10 minutes of entertainment so it's all good.
Link to our original conversation that you made this team from = https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/277740&post_id=1121184
Oct. 18, 2019 at 2:27 p.m.
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Quoting: CrossFireX33
I was going off of his rumored asking price. Unless I see something legitamate that says different than 8 Million, I'm going to assume that's what he'll get


Reasonable assumption.

However, I think the story broke because Barrie's agent told someone in the media that they were looking for a $50,000,000 contract (without providing specifics).

Then the TV analysts used the $50,000,000 asking price to estimate / predict a 6-year deal with an $8,000,000 cap-hit (I could be wrong / missing info though).

Barrie's camp has a bunch of different options though ... not limited too:

$8,000,000 x 6 years = $48,000,000 total (35 years old at expiry)
$7,250,000 x 7 years = $51,000,000 total (36 years old at expiry + TOR can front-load salary)
$6,750,000 x 8 years = $54,000,000 total (37 years old at expiry + TOR can front-load salary + TOR is Barrie's only option)

All else being equal ... I'd choose the 8-year deal with the extra $6,000,000 guaranteed ... hopefully Barrie agrees (Ryan Ellis did).

It's tough to predict injuries / how your body will hold up in your mid-late 30's (most guys are forced out of the league by 35).
 
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