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Hischers contract sucks

Created by: habs_fan123
Initial Creation Date: Oct 18, 2019
Published: Oct 18 at 3:14 pm
Team: 2019-20 New Jersey Devils
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Buyouts
  • Mike Cammalleri: $1,666,667
Recapture Fees
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
NJD
NJD
BOS
NJD
NJD
NJD
2021
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
2022
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
CBJ
NJD
NJD
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
25$81,500,000$77,338,333$0$5,875,000$4,161,667
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NJD
Hall, Taylor
$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
NJD
Zajac, Travis
$5,750,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
NJD
Simmonds, Wayne
$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
NJD
Gusev, Nikita
$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
NJD
Zacha, Pavel
$2,250,000
C
RFA - 3
NJD
Palmieri, Kyle
$4,650,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
NJD
Wood, Miles
$2,750,000
LW
RFA - 3
NJD
Coleman, Blake
$1,800,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
NJD
Rooney, Kevin
$700,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
NJD
Bratt, Jesper
$749,167
LW, RW
RFA - 1
NJD
Hughes, Jack
$925,000
C
RFA - 3
NJD
Hischier, Nico
$925,000
C
UFA - 1
NJD
Boqvist, Jesper
$925,000
C, LW, RW
RFA - 3
NJD
Hayden, John
$750,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NJD
Greene, Andy
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Subban, P.K.
$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
NJD
Schneider, Cory
$6,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
NJD
Vatanen, Sami
$4,875,000
LD
UFA - 1
NJD
Severson, Damon
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 4
NJD
Blackwood, Mackenzie
$697,500
G
RFA - 1
NJD
Butcher, Will
$3,733,333
LD
UFA - 3
NJD
Carrick, Connor
$1,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
NJD
Mueller, Mirco
$1,400,000
LD
RFA - 1
NJD
Tennyson, Matt
$700,000
RD
UFA - 2
NJD
Strait, Brian
$675,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Oct 18 at 3:15
#1
GM Hockeysaurus Rex
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 10,490
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Its much better than Kellers. I think its good.
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Oct 18 at 3:16
#2
BuFfaLoFan
Joined: Jul 2019
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Its much better than Kellers. I think its good.


I think that signing him for term and "low" will help with space later to sign Hughes who could command a lot of he plays good + the CBA increases the Cap
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Oct 18 at 3:18
#3
#FireBlowman
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 2,764
Likes: 890
He’s what a 50 point scorer as a rookie? He will definitely improve as this contract ages, and if you end up getting a 65 point player at 7.2 in a couple years I don’t think you’ve done terrible.
Oct 18 at 3:19
#4
Thread Starter
habs_fan
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,431
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Quoting: Stan_Bowman
He’s what a 50 point scorer as a rookie? He will definitely improve as this contract ages, and if you end up getting a 65 point player at 7.2 in a couple years I don’t think you’ve done terrible.


im not a hischer fan but 7.2 is a lot of money and he hasn't exactly proven anything like most points is 50 is that rlly worth 7.2
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Oct 18 at 3:23
#5
#FireBlowman
Joined: Feb 2018
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Quoting: habs_fan123
im not a hischer fan but 7.2 is a lot of money and he hasn't exactly proven anything like most points is 50 is that rlly worth 7.2


It’s not as simple as does 7.2=50 points. This contract is a medium risk- high reward situation for the Devils. He could either stay at around 50 points and be slightly overpaid (with a rising cap), or develop into a much better player and have that contract be a steal in 2-3 years.
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Oct 18 at 3:23
#6
Islanders Fan
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 3,425
Likes: 770
Quoting: SammyT_51
Its much better than Kellers. I think its good.


I'd rather have Keller than Hischier on similar deals tbh. This is a big gamble on Hischer. Could look genius or horribly backfire
Oct 18 at 3:24
#7
Boris Bagel
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 631
Likes: 113
it's way better than Marner's
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Oct 18 at 3:27
#8
exo2769
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 4,912
Likes: 1,192
Quoting: Stan_Bowman
It’s not as simple as does 7.2=50 points. This contract is a medium risk- high reward situation for the Devils. He could either stay at around 50 points and be slightly overpaid (with a rising cap), or develop into a much better player and have that contract be a steal in 2-3 years.


I agree with this. I just think the timing is a bit odd. 47-52 points and pretty bad start to the year makes it seem like Shero was desperate for some reason. I get this at the end of the year once he's done a little better, but October 18th? What if he doesn't do better? He's still REALLY young like you say and a talented player, so we'll see.
Oct 18 at 3:48
#9
Jack
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,866
Likes: 565
I think it's pretty good. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he is a consistent 75ish point scorer making 7.2 is great
Oct 18 at 3:55
#10
Formerly klondikebar
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 2,824
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its going to end up being a steal
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Oct 18 at 3:55
#11
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 3,867
Likes: 831
No no Nicos contract doesn't suck New Jersey just sucks
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Oct 18 at 4:02
#12
Jah1722
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,108
Likes: 367
Are we just complaining about any and all contracts now? Not sure how this contract “sucks”
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Oct 18 at 4:22
#13
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 1,886
Likes: 369
Quoting: Dylan1995
No no Nicos contract doesn't suck New Jersey just sucks


Your not still mad are ya?
Oct 18 at 4:33
#14
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 4,628
Likes: 1,853
The contract is probably fine, the timing of the big contract probably isn't
Oct 18 at 4:40
#15
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 948
Likes: 256
It's too much. Players should get rewarded for what they've done so far, not their potential. The future is unknown.

The new CBA needs to address this issue (RFA's and young players getting too much power) before it gets out of hand, it might already have gotten out of hand.
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Oct 18 at 4:42
#16
Thread Starter
habs_fan
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,431
Likes: 483
Quoting: wojme
The contract is probably fine, the timing of the big contract probably isn't


its just he hasn't earned it yet
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Oct 18 at 4:59
#17
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 514
Likes: 162
Sure next year and maybe the year after that.... but beyond then it should be a solid deal and a steal towards the end.

Flyers will trade you Patrick on his ELC for him if you really don't like it?
Oct 18 at 5:28
#18
Jah1722
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,108
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Quoting: habs_fan123
its just he hasn't earned it yet


If you pay guys based on what they earned you get contracts like Vlasic’s. He earned that contract but he’s being paid for past production. Nico is being paid for future production. We’ll judge it over time.
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Oct 19 at 12:36
#19
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 1,581
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Quoting: Jah1722
If you pay guys based on what they earned you get contracts like Vlasic’s. He earned that contract but he’s being paid for past production. Nico is being paid for future production. We’ll judge it over time.


Exactly! I've been trying to make this point forever. Theres always gonna be an inherent risk when coming off an ELC. Nico is also very solid defensively, which doesn't show up like points in the box score. This contract is better value than Nylander and Keller given Nico's defensive game and his age. How many times do these deals actually backfire?
Oct 19 at 12:40
#20
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 1,581
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Quoting: habs_fan123
its just he hasn't earned it yet


Shero is smart. He knows that defense matters. How many 20 year old Centers play top line matchups every night at that age? While I wouldn't call this a steal, I think it's a very solid and fair deal based on projected numbers and talent.
Oct 19 at 4:45
#21
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 1,581
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Ask Bergevin if he'd like to re-do the Domi contract. Long term at say $5M AAV. Now it's gonna cost $7M+ AAV to re-sign him. When you get in on the ground floor, you can save big cap space down the road. If Nico develops into a true #1 Center in 3 years, his next contract would cost well over $10M AAV, especially if the cap continues to rise. This was a calculated risk on Shero's part, but a risk that seems to make a lot of sense moving forward.
 
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