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Guentzel Is Better Than Marner

Created by: MikeyThePensFan
Initial Creation Date: Oct 19, 2019
Published: Oct 19 at 9:08 pm
Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
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I have seen this take get thrown around on social media by a lot of Pens fans and have always wondered if there was any truth to this.

Despite having already scored 26 goals and 50 points in the Stanley Cup playoffs throughout his career, many people have failed to regard Jake Guentzel as an elite player because they want to see him manage that success for an extended period of time.

He responded with a 40 goal season last year, 76 points. This year, he's on pace for 46.
The misconception seems to be that Crosby has carried Guentzel, but the truth is actually that Guentzel makes Crosby better. Honestly, it's not likely that Crosby would be able to play at such a high level at the age of 32 if he didn't have Guentzel on his wing.

Now with the comparison to Marner, it's interesting because they are different types of players who both seem to benefit from playing alongside elite centers. However, Guentzel generates more high danger shots and scores more goals. These areas are much more valuable than what Marner brings. If Guentzel played for the Leafs, he would get 11+ million.
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2020
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2021
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2022
PIT
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PIT
PIT
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$61,824,125$132,500$3,832,500$19,675,875

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Left WingCenterRight Wing
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
$6,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
PIT
Simon, Dominik
$750,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
PIT
McCann, Jared
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
PIT
Lafferty, Sam
$767,500
C, LW
RFA - 1
PIT
Tanev, Brandon
$3,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
PIT
Kahun, Dominik
$925,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
PIT
Blueger, Teddy
$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
PIT
Hörnqvist, Patric
$5,300,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
PIT
Aston-Reese, Zach
$1,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
PIT
Blandisi, Joseph
$700,000
C
RFA - 1
PIT
Johnson, Adam
$700,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 4
PIT
Letang, Kris
$7,250,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Murray, Matt
$3,750,000
G
RFA - 1
PIT
Pettersson, Marcus
$874,125
LD
RFA - 1
PIT
Schultz, Justin
$5,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
PIT
Jarry, Tristan
$675,000
G
RFA - 1
PIT
Johnson, Jack
$3,250,000
LD
UFA - 4
PIT
Marino, John
$925,000
D
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
PIT
Riikola, Juuso
$850,000
D
RFA - 1
PIT
Rust, Bryan
$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
PIT
Gudbranson, Erik
$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
PIT
Bjugstad, Nick
$4,100,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
PIT
Galchenyuk, Alex
$4,900,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Hörnqvist, P.
Crosby, S.
Guentzel, J.
Schultz, J.
Letang, K.
Power Play 2
Kahun, D.
McCann, J.
Simon, D.
Pettersson, M.
Dumoulin, B.
Penalty Kill 1
Blueger, T.
Tanev, B.
Dumoulin, B.
Letang, K.
Penalty Kill 2
Lafferty, S.
Aston-Reese, Z.
Johnson, J.
Marino, J.

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Oct 20 at 12:21
#26
Joined: May 2018
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Oh no Bruins have plenty of stupid fans. Pretty sure they stole a couple of other franchises dumb ones. They were just to dumb to realize they were cheering for another team.

And no, i understood your post perfectly. You complained about his comparison. He wasn’t trying to make a similar comparison because that is how sarcasm works. Getting bent out of shape over a sarcastic comparison was pointless, laugh and move on. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Lmao if anyone is bent out of shape, it’s you. Oh and I moved on. I’m pretty sure you’re the one who brought it up for zero reason 😂😂😂😂😂
Oct 20 at 4:23
#27
Joined: Jun 2018
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I could get 11 million from Dubas. Rookie GM been took to the woodshed repeatedly.
Oct 20 at 6:37
#28
BuFfaLoFan
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 1,877
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
You clearly dont watch any pens games. Watch them play together and you'll change that opinion. People always say crosby makes all of his wingers, but I dont see too many 40 goal scorers crosby has played with in his career.


I do watch pens games, but I just don't really notice Guentzel as being an elite play maker
Oct 20 at 11:50
#29
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 2,184
Likes: 671
Saying Guentzel>Marner is a bottom tier leafs fan take (Matthews is NOT better than McJesus leafs fans, stop trying to argue it)
Oct 20 at 3:26
#30
Thread Starter
Mikey F.
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 887
Likes: 200
Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
You clearly dont watch any pens games. Watch them play together and you'll change that opinion. People always say crosby makes all of his wingers, but I dont see too many 40 goal scorers crosby has played with in his career.


Quoting: moli92
both guentzel and marner rely heavily on their centre to drive play for them. check guentzel with and without crosby and marner with and without tavares for the last 2 seasons

http://nhltools.com/Index.php


Guentzel has greater impact on Crosby's success than Marner has for Tavares.
Oct 20 at 3:29
#31
Thread Starter
Mikey F.
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 887
Likes: 200
Quoting: pharrow
I could get 11 million from Dubas. Rookie GM been took to the woodshed repeatedly.


But Guentzel actually has leverage to ask for more than Marner, especially if he waited until the end of 2018-19 to sign.
Oct 20 at 3:33
#32
Thread Starter
Mikey F.
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 887
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Saying Guentzel>Marner is a bottom tier leafs fan take (Matthews is NOT better than McJesus leafs fans, stop trying to argue it)


However, Guentzel has better advanced stats than Marner, plus takes more high danger shots and scores more even-strength goals.
 
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