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is this enough for Bear

Created by: Trickster
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 21, 2019
Published: Oct. 21, 2019
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Only looking to see if this enough to Oilers
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  1. Bear, Ethan [RFA Rights]
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  1. Bracco, Jeremy [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (CBJ)
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I think Bracco would make the Oilers roster next year
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Oct. 21, 2019 at 7:39 p.m.
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Nope.
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Oct. 21, 2019 at 7:42 p.m.
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Generally teams don't wait for prospects to get good and then trade them.
Oct. 21, 2019 at 7:52 p.m.
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hey look a squirrel
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Quoting: aedoran
Generally teams don't wait for prospects to get good and then trade them.


If the Oilers extend Nurse they will have 2020 the following on the D :

Klefboom
Larsson
Russell
Nurse
Bouchard


Now look how many UFA on FWs they have.
That is why this move makes sense.
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Oct. 21, 2019 at 8:04 p.m.
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Quoting: aedoran
Generally teams don't wait for prospects to get good and then trade them.


Leafs management from the 2000's would like a word with you. ?
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Oct. 21, 2019 at 8:13 p.m.
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Its just too much to bear...
Oct. 21, 2019 at 8:19 p.m.
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Quoting: Trickster
If the Oilers extend Nurse they will have 2020 the following on the D :

Klefboom
Larsson
Russell
Nurse
Bouchard


Now look how many UFA on FWs they have.
That is why this move makes sense.


Ok it makes sense for the Leafs but not the Oilers. Bear is an RFA so they have him for the next 5yrs. Russell is 32 and his best years are behind him so if Edmonton moves a defenseman it would be Russell. Bracco is 22yr old winger, who has never played an NHL game despite lighting it up last season in the AHL Now with Tavares hurt why hasn't Bracco been called up yet? So why would Edmonton trade a good young defenseman who is starting breakout in the NHL.
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Oct. 21, 2019 at 8:34 p.m.
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Quoting: aedoran
Ok it makes sense for the Leafs but not the Oilers. Bear is an RFA so they have him for the next 5yrs. Russell is 32 and his best years are behind him so if Edmonton moves a defenseman it would be Russell. Bracco is 22yr old winger, who has never played an NHL game despite lighting it up last season in the AHL Now with Tavares hurt why hasn't Bracco been called up yet? So why would Edmonton trade a good young defenseman who is starting breakout in the NHL.


Moving Russell is going to cost the hefty price, maybe even retention.
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Oct. 21, 2019 at 8:35 p.m.
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Obviously not a trade Oiler fans are going to like, however, Bracco is good enough to be in the top 6 in Edmonton now. Which isn't an endorsement of his skills.
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Oct. 21, 2019 at 8:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Trickster
Moving Russell is going to cost the hefty price, maybe even retention.


Russell’s contract becomes very buyout friendly next season.
Oct. 21, 2019 at 8:46 p.m.
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No. Why would they want to trade him?
Oct. 21, 2019 at 8:47 p.m.
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Quoting: yamahut
Russell’s contract becomes very buyout friendly next season.


Not really buyout friendly.. 3M buyout so only 1M savings. What it does become is very tradeable to the right teams after July 1st bonus Russell's salary will only be 1.5M. I don't think Oilers would have to "pay a hefty price" to move Russell bit of retention and Oilers likely to get midround pick back plus Russell actually looked fairly decent this year especially when playing leftside
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Oct. 21, 2019 at 8:57 p.m.
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Bear is a 22 year old RFA who is crushing it playing top-pairing minutes against elite competition. I do not know who Bracco is frankly, but even with a 3rd, I could not see this making sense for Edmonton.
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Oct. 21, 2019 at 8:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
Not really buyout friendly.. 3M buyout so only 1M savings. What it does become is very tradeable to the right teams after July 1st bonus Russell's salary will only be 1.5M. I don't think Oilers would have to "pay a hefty price" to move Russell bit of retention and Oilers likely to get midround pick back plus Russell actually looked fairly decent this year especially when playing leftside


What about after Russell's bonus is paid? Is his buyout penalty still $3m?
Oct. 21, 2019 at 9:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Trickster
If the Oilers extend Nurse they will have 2020 the following on the D :

Klefboom
Larsson
Russell
Nurse
Bouchard


Now look how many UFA on FWs they have.
That is why this move makes sense.


Larsson and Russell will only have 1 year left. You're better off trading for one of them.
Oct. 21, 2019 at 9:27 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 21, 2019 at 9:48 p.m.
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What about after Russell's bonus is paid? Is his buyout penalty still $3m?


Edited: the trouble is that the buyout window is in June, while the bonus gets paid out July 1st (I believe), so it can only happen if the Oilers have an RFA who opts for arbitration.
Oct. 21, 2019 at 9:28 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Obviously not a trade Oiler fans are going to like, however, Bracco is good enough to be in the top 6 in Edmonton now. Which isn't an endorsement of his skills.


Bear is playing 1st pairing RHD in Edmonton right now - and he looks good doing it.
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Oct. 21, 2019 at 9:40 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 21, 2019 at 9:46 p.m.
Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
Not really buyout friendly.. 3M buyout so only 1M savings. What it does become is very tradeable to the right teams after July 1st bonus Russell's salary will only be 1.5M. I don't think Oilers would have to "pay a hefty price" to move Russell bit of retention and Oilers likely to get midround pick back plus Russell actually looked fairly decent this year especially when playing leftside

It would not be a hefty price, as was said though. In a worse case scenario the Oilers would save a million of Russell’s cap hit and cost $0 after the contract in a buyout. I believe that NHL opportunities should be made available for Edmontons young defenceman, without paying a vet millions of dollars to sit.
Oct. 21, 2019 at 9:44 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Obviously not a trade Oiler fans are going to like, however, Bracco is good enough to be in the top 6 in Edmonton now. Which isn't an endorsement of his skills.


No he isn't. Bracco is an undersized 22 year old winger who scored 1.05 p/gp in the AHL last year, he isn't as good as Edmonton's Cooper Marody, a 6'0 22 year old center who scored 1.10 p/gp in the AHL last year.

So no, this trade isn't close.
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Oct. 21, 2019 at 10:10 p.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Obviously not a trade Oiler fans are going to like, however, Bracco is good enough to be in the top 6 in Edmonton now. Which isn't an endorsement of his skills.


Considering that EDM TOP-6 is statistically currently one of the best in the entire league and that the asset you're talking about hasn't played a single game yet in NHL, I'd say this is nothing but a load of crap.
Oct. 21, 2019 at 11:47 p.m.
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Bear is playing 1st pairing RHD in Edmonton right now - and he looks good doing it.


Okay bud, the team is a mirage and it's going to turn. Bad across the board when McDavid isn't on the ice. He doesn't score 2 or more points and Edmonton has no chance of winning. They could squeek in sure but only because the Pacific sucks.
Oct. 21, 2019 at 11:49 p.m.
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No he isn't. Bracco is an undersized 22 year old winger who scored 1.05 p/gp in the AHL last year, he isn't as good as Edmonton's Cooper Marody, a 6'0 22 year old center who scored 1.10 p/gp in the AHL last year.

So no, this trade isn't close.


Okay really great analysis there.
Oct. 21, 2019 at 11:49 p.m.
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Considering that EDM TOP-6 is statistically currently one of the best in the entire league and that the asset you're talking about hasn't played a single game yet in NHL, I'd say this is nothing but a load of crap.


McDavid is tops the rest not so much.
Oct. 22, 2019 at 1:12 a.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
McDavid is tops the rest not so much.


Draisaitl , RNH, and Neal aren’t good players?
Oct. 22, 2019 at 2:18 a.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Okay bud, the team is a mirage and it's going to turn. Bad across the board when McDavid isn't on the ice. He doesn't score 2 or more points and Edmonton has no chance of winning. They could squeek in sure but only because the Pacific sucks.


Not sure if you've been watching many leaf games lately Logan, but stones and glass houses come to mind right about now..
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Oct. 22, 2019 at 5:50 a.m.
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Okay bud, the team is a mirage and it's going to turn. Bad across the board when McDavid isn't on the ice. He doesn't score 2 or more points and Edmonton has no chance of winning. They could squeek in sure but only because the Pacific sucks.


Well, sure. But 2 things: (1) McDavid has no points in the past 2 games (a rare thing) and the Oilers want 1-0-1 in those games, so there's more to this team than just him; and (2) this has NOTHING to do with the fact that Ethan Bear has 10x the value that Bracco has. Nothing.
 
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