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Getting defensive help on the right side

Created by: Sebybbq
Initial Creation Date: Oct 28, 2019
Published: Oct 28 at 11:15 pm
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Cousins, Nick
  2. Petry, Jeff ($1,500,000 retained)
  3. 2020 4th round pick (SJS)
MTL
  1. Sandin, Rasmus
  2. Ceci, Cody
  3. Hyman, Zach
  4. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
Give toronto little cap space for next year with petry at 4 millions
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
SJS
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$80,302,699$0$0$1,197,301
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, C
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
MTL
Cousins, Nick
$1,000,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Shore, Nick
$750,000
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$4,000,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
$700,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Gravel, Kevin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Oct 28 at 11:18
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Not so sure MTL is the position to give up any defensive guys although that is pretty good return.
Oct 28 at 11:21
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Not so sure MTL is the position to give up any defensive guys although that is pretty good return.


With fleury who is stepping up i think that if Montreal is out of the playoff by the deadline petry will be dealt. We have weber who us lock up for 7 more years and petry will be looking for long term deal after is current contract. I think montreal will want to get younger on the right side with fleury and brook and juulsen petry is expendable
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Oct 28 at 11:32
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That is a massive overpay for petry
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Oct 28 at 11:45
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very good trade, Toronto would improve by a lot. however Habs have to say no since Petry has become our number one and I think he could be a top 3 defenseman for another 4-5 years
Oct 28 at 11:51
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Quoting: Isles777
That is a massive overpay for petry


And what he is worth?? A 25 min defenceman who average over 40 point the last two season who have very good advanced stats tell me is value then?
Oct 29 at 12:03
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Quoting: Sebybbq
And what he is worth?? A 25 min defenceman who average over 40 point the last two season who have very good advanced stats tell me is value then?


The leafs don’t need defenseman who can put up a bunch of points, they already have Reilly and barrie. Petry wouldn’t get any PP time since Reilly is pp1 and barrie is pp2. They need a shutdown defenseman.

He’s not worth much to the leafs, and they’re certainly not giving up their best D prospect who can play a two way game and step right in next season.

Petry value is around the same as muzzin when he was traded last season - so a 1st and a decent prospect. If a team is desperate maybe add a 2nd round pick in 2021
Oct 29 at 12:16
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Quoting: Isles777
The leafs don’t need defenseman who can put up a bunch of points, they already have Reilly and barrie. Petry wouldn’t get any PP time since Reilly is pp1 and barrie is pp2. They need a shutdown defenseman.

He’s not worth much to the leafs, and they’re certainly not giving up their best D prospect who can play a two way game and step right in next season.

Petry value is around the same as muzzin when he was traded last season - so a 1st and a decent prospect. If a team is desperate maybe add a 2nd round pick in 2021


That pretty much what montreal received in that deals. Petry is playing 23 minutes a night against top opponent he would be toronto best right handed defenseman right away. He is worth gold for maple leafs who clearly get beat every night on that right side team put pressure and dump the puck in that corner and they don’t have a answer yet. Petry is a great skater who defend very well, great stick, good vision and got a bullet. This would help the leafs right away. Leafs have dermott on the left side with rielly but the right side is simply horrible and lijegren is their only nhl prospectalmost ready
Oct 29 at 7:24
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It's Petry's term of just 1.75 years the makes the trade not desirable to the Leafs. Sandin is needed next year and for at least six years of control and at a ELC for couple of years.
Oct 29 at 12:53
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Quoting: palhal
It's Petry's term of just 1.75 years the makes the trade not desirable to the Leafs. Sandin is needed next year and for at least six years of control and at a ELC for couple of years.


Not to mention that the kid is 18 and looks like he has the makings of becoming a #1 at some point down the road.
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Oct 29 at 1:13
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
Not to mention that the kid is 18 and looks like he has the makings of becoming a #1 at some point down the road.


19 and no chance at all at being number one defenseman. Toronto will go another 60 years cup drought with that defence
Oct 29 at 1:27
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Quoting: Sebybbq
19 and no chance at all at being number one defenseman. Toronto will go another 60 years cup drought with that defence


Ok, thanks.

Nevermind what happens in the next 60 years, but given that you can so clearly see the future, do you mind telling me the lotto numbers for this Friday?
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Oct 29 at 1:37
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Quoting: Sebybbq
19 and no chance at all at being number one defenseman. Toronto will go another 60 years cup drought with that defence


No team can predict their teams Dmen for the next sixty years. What does Petry or Sandin have to do with the Leafs defence in the year 2079. If Petry is such a difference maker, why hasn't the Habs been racking up Cup appearances recently? Even Petry and Cousens for Hyman and Ceci, doesn't help the Leafs that much this season
Oct 29 at 1:59
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
Ok, thanks.

Nevermind what happens in the next 60 years, but given that you can so clearly see the future, do you mind telling me the lotto numbers for this Friday?


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Nov 1 at 2:13
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this is silly. Sandin alone is already too much
Nov 1 at 2:16
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Nov 1 at 2:24
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Quoting: palhal
No team can predict their teams Dmen for the next sixty years. What does Petry or Sandin have to do with the Leafs defence in the year 2079. If Petry is such a difference maker, why hasn't the Habs been racking up Cup appearances recently? Even Petry and Cousens for Hyman and Ceci, doesn't help the Leafs that much this season


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You know that your defense is trash right? Petry is 10 time better than ceci open your eye buddy. If you still have ceci on your top 4 by the end of the year s guarantee your beiing exit again in first round
Nov 1 at 4:41
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You know that your defense is trash right? Petry is 10 time better than ceci open your eye buddy. If you still have ceci on your top 4 by the end of the year s guarantee your beiing exit again in first round


C'mon I know Petry is better than Ceci, but having Petry doesn't increase the Leafs chances that much to exit the first round, especially at the cost of long term Sandin and the 1st pick. Sorry it's terrible value trade. Again if Petry is such a different maker, why don't the Habs keep him and so they don't have a first round exit.
Having Petry and Weber haven't helped the Habs much advantage, it's silly to think Petry is going to help the Leafs THAT much. Please if Petry is sooo sooo much of difference maker, Habs better keep him.
Nov 1 at 4:53
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Quoting: palhal
C'mon I know Petry is better than Ceci, but having Petry doesn't increase the Leafs chances that much to exit the first round, especially at the cost of long term Sandin and the 1st pick. Sorry it's terrible value trade. Again if Petry is such a different maker, why don't the Habs keep him and exit the first round?
Having Petry and Weber haven't helped the Habs much advantage, it's silly to think Petry is going to help the Leafs THAT much. Please if Petry is sooo sooo much of difference maker, Habs better keep him.


Habs are rebuilding, and since weber is sign for 7 more years petry is the one that will get trade. Montreal got cale fleury who’s been playing extremely well and juulsen and brook who will be ready inna near future. Petry would make the leafs a better team and yes they would automatically be in better position to make a run in playoff. Team that are depth on defence have success in playoff that’s historically proven. Your cup window is not open for that long since you have to extend frederik anderssen next year and you have to sign 5 defenseman 4 forward and a backup goalie with around 22 million next summer. getting a defenseman the caliber of petry with that cap hit would be great for the leafs who are a piece or two from a championship team.
Nov 1 at 5:09
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Quoting: Sebybbq
Habs are rebuilding, and since weber is sign for 7 more years petry is the one that will get trade. Montreal got cale fleury who’s been playing extremely well and juulsen and brook who will be ready inna near future. Petry would make the leafs a better team and yes they would automatically be in better position to make a run in playoff. Team that are depth on defence have success in playoff that’s historically proven. Your cup window is not open for that long since you have to extend frederik anderssen next year and you have to sign 5 defenseman 4 forward and a backup goalie with around 22 million next summer. getting a defenseman the caliber of petry with that cap hit would be great for the leafs who are a piece or two from a championship team.


Nonsense if you think the window closes this year. Quit this fascination that the Leafs need Petry and he going to vault the Leaf into true contenders. Yes I know Petry would improve the Leafs this year, but at what cost? Seven controllable years of Sandin and first....no thanks. Plus Hyman is better than Cousens I knew the Leafs would probably be worse than last year when they lost three good NHLers and the three replacements aren't as good. Good Dmen can be traded to many teams. But over the past few years on this site, it's almost biblical that the Leafs have to overpay for any RHD.
Nov 1 at 5:16
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Nonsense if you think the window closes this year. Quit this fascination that the Leafs need Petry and he going to vault the Leaf into true contenders. Yes I know Petry would improve the Leafs this year, but at what cost? Seven controllable years of Sandin and first....no thanks. Plus Hyman is better than Cousens I knew the Leafs would probably be worse than last year when they lost three good NHLers and the three replacements aren't as good. Good Dmen can be traded to many teams. But over the past few years on this site, it's almost biblical that the Leafs have to overpay for any RHD.


They will have to overpay like they did for muzzin. They won’t get a great defenseman with a cap hit of 5 millions for crap return or on july 1st. Plus with anderssen who will command at least 8 millions in 2 years and reilly who will get in the 9 millions range toronto better use the next 2 season because after that it will be very hard. They will loose either muzzin or barrie this summer and does not have a stud in ahl that can step up annplay 25 minutes a game. If dubas doesn’t want to move a forward to create space you are screwed
Nov 1 at 5:49
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Quoting: Sebybbq
They will have to overpay like they did for muzzin. They won’t get a great defenseman with a cap hit of 5 millions for crap return or on july 1st. Plus with anderssen who will command at least 8 millions in 2 years and reilly who will get in the 9 millions range toronto better use the next 2 season because after that it will be very hard. They will loose either muzzin or barrie this summer and does not have a stud in ahl that can step up annplay 25 minutes a game. If dubas doesn’t want to move a forward to create space you are screwed


What nonsense again. UFAs come and go all the time from teams. Do the Leafs even want (at the going rate) or can afford Reily or Anderson when they are UFA. No one knows. But please the Leafs aren't unique in not signing their own UFAs. Of course the the Leafs don't think they are were going to Barrie when they acquired him. And by his poor play this year why would they? Muzzin has probably been the best Leaf Dman yep he might gone too? Yes, you are correct the Leafs will probably have to trade a forward...either Johnsson or Kapanen would be my choice to get max value and use that cap space to use on a Dman or two. That's the purpose of trades, trading from a position of strength and getting a player to fill a need. The Leafs feel they had NHL ready wingers with the Marlies when some Leaf winger is traded.
I figure the Leafs have 7.5m to sign three Dmen after Reilly, Liljegren, Sandin and Dermot are with the Leafs next season. 7.5m. for three spots. Trade Kapanen for future and replace him with Korshkov that's another 2.1m. So 9.6m for three Dmen. What's the problem? No the Leafs aren't screwed. They do have the ability to trade good value player for either cap space or other value players.
Gee, you think the Leafs are the only team with cap issues?
 
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