If it doesn’t include Byram it’s a no. Because it has an extension it’s Byram plus

I don't know if we need to panic that much yet. This happened to us during the home stretch last year and we are better now than the team we ice without rants and landy then. This is the whole reason we signed depth players, so when we have injuries we don't need to make major changes.

You're going to be disappointed in halls return this year

Bruh...Byram is worth Hall +

That's an overpayment. Devils aren't getting A+ prospect if Taylor Hall wants out of New Jersey. This isn't in the same scenario as other trade where players wanted out. (e.g. 1st Duchene trade, Eric Lindros trade or Paul George trade)

If Hall is included in a sign-and-trade, they should look at the Mark Stone trade as a benchmark.
- 1st round pick
- Brannstrom type of prospect (A or A-)
- Depth player for salary dump purpose

If Hall is shipped as rental, Devils will probably get a package that is slightly better than Duchene.
- 1st round pick
- B prospect (prospect better than the Abramov and Davidsson)

avs are not trading Byram

So there will never be a deal bw the 2....good talk

no need for this. Over reaction trades IMO.

Avs still have Bowers, Kaut, Greer in the AHL, and have yet to play Kamanev in a game bc of the teams depth. Play the kids and weather the storm

The talent is still there, especially under a good coach in Bednar

Makar/Byram +1st+Jost+another middle tier piece.

Rather than make up this fictitious offer based on nothing, find a trade that happened already in the last 20 years and use that as basis for your argument. It'll be way more realistic and might actually convince someone. Plus, NJ doesn't necessarily have the option to sell Hall with a potential extension. That tactic was used maybe once on a good player in history and then GM's smartened up. They realized that not adding a 8th year on a contract is a GOOD thing. Most UFA's are in their mid 30's by that time and more than likely are declining. They might have to pay a little more in cap but not having to do that 8th year is sometimes a good thing on a player whose 28-29 years old already.

Also its not that Hall isn't as good as Byram or vice versa, its that NJ does not hold power in this negotiation if for whatever reason Hall is not being resigned. (On the flipside, if they resign him and then try to trade him, they can then ask for anything they want)'

All they have is market demand and no team is offering a top 5 pick prospect for a guy they technically could have a chance to sign as a free agent in a years time for free..... If the cost for Hall extended is Byram+, no team will accept, NJ will be forced to either bring down their price or lose him for nothing. They're choice. Simply using other star players that were traded as pending UFA's as examples, the cost to get Hall will be way less than you think. Not garbage but not "stupidly amazing" either.

Erik Karlsson, a future HOF'er, got a collection of picks and B prospects. Not one of those prospects was even a blue chip. Norris was the best they thing they got and he is by no means anything crazy good. They may get lucky with SJ 1st round pick this year as SJ may be a lottery team his year but I think no one was expecting that to happen when this trade was done.

Don't want to be nitpicky, but the Stone trade was a second, not a first.

You're right, what are we thinking? How about Byram, Kaut, Makar, Jost, Rantanen, Bleackley, MacKinnon, Forsberg, Landeskog and Hishon. That should be just under what Hall's worth.

Are you insane

why do you want to hurt the avs

Fiala, Donato, and Zucker are all available...

Forgot to mention that the return from a Hall sign-and-trade should have a better return than the Stone sign-and-trade considering Hall just won the Hart trophy and consider the fact that Dorion is the best at making bad trades. (even though the Stone trade was his best trade)

How about you give us a top prospect eh?
Maybe you just don’t realize how good Hall really is and why he won Over MAC in Hart.

Good shot! He did beat out MacKinnon for the Hart. Maybe I really don't know how good he is. Maybe I'll spend the next 4 years that Colorado is paying Mack just over 6 million and watch Byram develop into a stud defenseman while I mull it over.

I personally don’t but that’s what I see as a fair trade.

That for Taylor Hall on an extension no that’s fair. You just think that Avs can get anything for spare parts. Jost isn’t the most sought after guy anymore nor is your first round pick as a playoff caliber team.

that's crazy man, way over valuing Hall

damn. I guess its my "incomptence" that your mad about but to be honest to get a great player you have to give. Quanity over Quality btw.

How? what comparables do you have? when was the last time a team traded a 4th overall pick stud D man + 1st rounder + 21 year old NHL C + another "middle tier piece" (whatever that means) for a star winger?

I see the Mark Stone trade as a pretty similar comparable. Stone (who agreed to an extension before the trade, but didnt officially sign it until later: https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26078667/golden-knights-acquire-mark-stone-trade-senators) got a 2nd rounder, Brannstrom, and Oscar Lindberg.

Now compare that to what you proposed:

Makar (or Byram) > Brannstrom
1st rounder > 2nd rounder
Jost > Lindberg
"middle tier piece" > nothing

thats not even close.

Hall also has better credentials than Stone does. Hall has a MVP with him a nice shiny piece of award. Also the circumstances surrounding Ottawa and Stone weren’t the best Stone wasn’t willing to sign a contract. Hall is so very big difference in circumstances. Another thing you have forgotten is that New Jersey also has a chance for a playoff spot, Ottawa did not they were actually just trying to flunk the season hoping for the best. Also a more comparable if you even wanna say that would be looking at more valuable piece like Karlsson it might not be the same set of skills and maybe not same position but Karlsson is the best in his position I still have the opinion Hall is the best in his.

You really believe Hall is a spare part lol. Then I think I am just going to refrain from arguing. He has a MVP under his belt and his credentials are very good. He might of had an injury in the past but how is that going to stop him. This is a new era you aren’t gonna get him for Spare Parts lol. Colorado fans are delusional if that is how we are going to play this lol.

new jersey is literally in last place in the league (2nd last if you want to use point percentage) and is already 8 points back of a playoff spot. its still early in the season but its not an insignificant sample size. I bet if NJD continues like this Hall wont sign with them anyway. And for the record imo Stone is better than Hall anyway. But either way they arent that far enough apart in value for you to suggest a trade like that which towers over the return for Hall.