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Mitchy cant live up to his contract

Created by: jloose
Initial Creation Date: Oct 30, 2019
Published: Oct 30, 2019 at 11:12
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dermott, Travis3$2,850,000
Mikheyev, Ilya3$3,000,000
Bracco, Jeremy2$750,000
Brooks, Adam2$750,000
Engvall, Pierre2$750,000
Marchment, Mason2$750,000
Timashov, Dmytro2$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Muzzin, Jake6$5,750,000
Howard, Jimmy1$1,500,000
Vatanen, Sami6$6,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Grigorenko, Mikhail1$925,000
Trades
TOR
  1. 2020 4th round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Petan, Nicolas
TOR
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Marner, Mitchell
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
MIN
CBJ
TOR
VGK
PIT
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$84,000,000$83,210,116$0$400,000$789,884
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$750,000
LW
RFA - 1
Grigorenko, Mikhail
$925,000
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$750,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
MIN
Dumba, Matt
$6,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,750,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
Vatanen, Sami
$6,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Howard, Jimmy
$1,500,000
G
UFA
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$2,850,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 2

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Oct 30, 2019 at 11:12
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i love leafs fans
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Oct 30, 2019 at 11:22
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It is really too bad that there are only 70 FREAKIN' GAMES LEFT in this season. All is lost indeed. It is these kinds of reactionary suggestions based on limited sample size that make it embarrassing to be a Leafs fan. Jesus Murphy people, calm down!!
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Oct 30, 2019 at 11:29
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Yet he still has 14-15 points leading the team. “He can’t live up to his contract” he’s on pace for 90-100 points so I think he will be living up to it.
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Oct 30, 2019 at 11:41
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I think he can. I think it’s going to be a lot more difficult for the team to live up to expectations with this top heavy, offense first, approach.
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Oct 30, 2019 at 11:45
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Quoting: Trevorchef
It is really too bad that there are only 70 FREAKIN' GAMES LEFT in this season. All is lost indeed. It is these kinds of reactionary suggestions based on limited sample size that make it embarrassing to be a Leafs fan. Jesus Murphy people, calm down!!


Quoting: Leafs_fan13
Yet he still has 14-15 points leading the team. “He can’t live up to his contract” he’s on pace for 90-100 points so I think he will be living up to it.



Very aware that's its 12 games into his 6 year contract. But his contract will ever provide surplus value when compared to similar players and what they signed for (Rantanen, aho, point, tkachuk)
If you can deal from a position of strength to bolster the back end and also weaponize the extra cap space its interesting to say the least.

Not saying I'd do it, but worth a look.
Oct 30, 2019 at 12:33
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Quoting: jloose
Very aware that's its 12 games into his 6 year contract. But his contract will ever provide surplus value when compared to similar players and what they signed for (Rantanen, aho, point, tkachuk)
If you can deal from a position of strength to bolster the back end and also weaponize the extra cap space its interesting to say the least.

Not saying I'd do it, but worth a look.


I think Marner is very likely a life long leaf, and that's a good thing cause he's a heckuva a player. He is having some struggles with his overall game, but like it was pointed out above he's on pace for 90+ points. So, points arent the problem.

It's true that the value of his contract compared to other players in the league kinda sucks, but that drama is over and we have what we have. No point in beating Mitch over his head with his very fat wallet..

The bigger problem, imo, is, like bcarlo points out, expectations. The leafs have more than a few things to iron out right now, but with the core they have they should be good going foward. It just might take longer than what we'd like.
Oct 30, 2019 at 1:05
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
I think Marner is very likely a life long leaf, and that's a good thing cause he's a heckuva a player. He is having some struggles with his overall game, but like it was pointed out above he's on pace for 90+ points. So, points arent the problem.

It's true that the value of his contract compared to other players in the league kinda sucks, but that drama is over and we have what we have. No point in beating Mitch over his head with his very fat wallet..

The bigger problem, imo, is, like bcarlo points out, expectations. The leafs have more than a few things to iron out right now, but with the core they have they should be good going forward. It just might take longer than what we'd like.


Love mitchy, I think the narrative that he "drove" a line is complete nonsense but hes a great player, especially on special teams.
I think lowering expectations is silly. The kids didn't want to take a discount, they got paid, now they need to produce. No more "it's a process", if your a top 10 paid player you better live up to it.

It shouldn't be viewed as taking any longer. Need to try and win with Tavares in the back half of his prime and Reilly/Freddy on good contracts imo.
Management said themselves it was 5 year process when Babs came in. That that got accelerated at different points throughout those 5 years (34 draft, tavares signing)
This is year 5...
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Oct 30, 2019 at 1:20
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Quoting: jloose
Love mitchy, I think the narrative that he "drove" a line is complete nonsense but hes a great player, especially on special teams.
I think lowering expectations is silly. The kids didn't want to take a discount, they got paid, now they need to produce. No more "it's a process", if your a top 10 paid player you better live up to it.

It shouldn't be viewed as taking any longer. Need to try and win with Tavares in the back half of his prime and Reilly/Freddy on good contracts imo.
Management said themselves it was 5 year process when Babs came in. That that got accelerated at different points throughout those 5 years (34 draft, tavares signing)
This is year 5...


I hear, ya. But Mitch isn't just overpaid by 1.5 - 2M a year on the leafs, he'd be overpaid by that much on every team. I doubt Marner would fetch Dumba for that reason alone, not to mention that I think it's only the media who believed that Mitch can drive a line. I doubt many other GMs buy the noise that Mitch is a top 5 player in the league. He isn't. But he is a very effective and complimentary player when he's at his best - and that isn't just about putting up points.

I'm not saying we should lower expectations, winning a cup shoild be the goal. I'm just saying that expectations are a bit out of line with reality right now. The leafs have been a 500 team since December. And while the roster looks good on paper, they're not cup contenders with the way their playing right now. Something needs to change to get to the next level..

I thought they had a good effort last night. But Ovi isnt wrong with what he said about the leafs..
Oct 30, 2019 at 2:52
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
I hear, ya. But Mitch isn't just overpaid by 1.5 - 2M a year on the leafs, he'd be overpaid by that much on every team. I doubt Marner would fetch Dumba for that reason alone, not to mention that I think it's only the media who believed that Mitch can drive a line. I doubt many other GMs buy the noise that Mitch is a top 5 player in the league. He isn't. But he is a very effective and complimentary player when he's at his best - and that isn't just about putting up points.

I'm not saying we should lower expectations, winning a cup shoild be the goal. I'm just saying that expectations are a bit out of line with reality right now. The leafs have been a 500 team since December. And while the roster looks good on paper, they're not cup contenders with the way their playing right now. Something needs to change to get to the next level..

I thought they had a good effort last night. But Ovi isnt wrong with what he said about the leafs..


Exactly, so what needs to change...?
Oct 30, 2019 at 2:57
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Quoting: jloose
Exactly, so what needs to change...?


A more consistent defensive core and a better team mentality are the two things the Leafs lack.
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Oct 30, 2019 at 3:05
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MLSE should replace Dubas with someone with your correct mindset!!
They won't..
They'll BURN..-~
Oct 30, 2019 at 3:21
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Edited Oct 30, 2019 at 3:41
Quoting: jloose
Exactly, so what needs to change...?


I like the easy answer, even if it's not the right answer. Trade Babcock.. wink

Honestly though? Probably just some patience that allows this team to grow to the next level. They've had some injuries, a tough schedule, some bad luck and shakey goaltending to start this seasons. Throw in a young core that needs some maturing,a massive amount of roster and coaching turnover, a long starved fanbase desperate for some success and a crazy local media and the situation isn't as bad as it seems. Stick to the plan and give it time. It's a talented group with some good prospects coming up.

Or, fire Babcock. Either or works for me.
Oct 30, 2019 at 3:22
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Quoting: BootBoi
MLSE should replace Dubas with someone with your correct mindset!!
They won't..
They'll BURN..-~


This is a gloomy take.
Oct 30, 2019 at 3:26
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It IS that 4 sure..-~
Reality 4 MLSE is a living tragedy.. -~
Oct 30, 2019 at 3:30
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Quoting: BootBoi
It IS that 4 sure..-~
Reality 4 MLSE is a living tragedy.. -~


I really don't understand the tragedy?? All of their assets have increased in value over the years??

Paying Marner 11 million isn't going to sink the company.
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Oct 30, 2019 at 3:32
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Quoting: mondo
A more consistent defensive core and a better team mentality are the two things the Leafs lack.


The mentality thing is a big part of it, imo. I thought last night was a better showing by most guys. But they gotta put the effort in as a whole team game after game. You know, be gud pros.. jeebus,! Babcock might not be wrong..

But even if he's right, his shtick is getting hard to listen to all the time. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're starting to tune him out.
 
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