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Mitchy cant live up to his contract

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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 30, 2019
Published: Oct. 30, 2019
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Oct. 30, 2019 at 11:12 a.m.
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i love leafs fans
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Oct. 30, 2019 at 11:22 a.m.
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It is really too bad that there are only 70 FREAKIN' GAMES LEFT in this season. All is lost indeed. It is these kinds of reactionary suggestions based on limited sample size that make it embarrassing to be a Leafs fan. Jesus Murphy people, calm down!!
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Oct. 30, 2019 at 11:29 a.m.
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Yet he still has 14-15 points leading the team. “He can’t live up to his contract” he’s on pace for 90-100 points so I think he will be living up to it.
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Oct. 30, 2019 at 11:41 a.m.
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I think he can. I think it’s going to be a lot more difficult for the team to live up to expectations with this top heavy, offense first, approach.
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Oct. 30, 2019 at 11:45 a.m.
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It is really too bad that there are only 70 FREAKIN' GAMES LEFT in this season. All is lost indeed. It is these kinds of reactionary suggestions based on limited sample size that make it embarrassing to be a Leafs fan. Jesus Murphy people, calm down!!


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Yet he still has 14-15 points leading the team. “He can’t live up to his contract” he’s on pace for 90-100 points so I think he will be living up to it.



Very aware that's its 12 games into his 6 year contract. But his contract will ever provide surplus value when compared to similar players and what they signed for (Rantanen, aho, point, tkachuk)
If you can deal from a position of strength to bolster the back end and also weaponize the extra cap space its interesting to say the least.

Not saying I'd do it, but worth a look.
Oct. 30, 2019 at 12:33 p.m.
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Very aware that's its 12 games into his 6 year contract. But his contract will ever provide surplus value when compared to similar players and what they signed for (Rantanen, aho, point, tkachuk)
If you can deal from a position of strength to bolster the back end and also weaponize the extra cap space its interesting to say the least.

Not saying I'd do it, but worth a look.


I think Marner is very likely a life long leaf, and that's a good thing cause he's a heckuva a player. He is having some struggles with his overall game, but like it was pointed out above he's on pace for 90+ points. So, points arent the problem.

It's true that the value of his contract compared to other players in the league kinda sucks, but that drama is over and we have what we have. No point in beating Mitch over his head with his very fat wallet..

The bigger problem, imo, is, like bcarlo points out, expectations. The leafs have more than a few things to iron out right now, but with the core they have they should be good going foward. It just might take longer than what we'd like.
Oct. 30, 2019 at 1:05 p.m.
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I think Marner is very likely a life long leaf, and that's a good thing cause he's a heckuva a player. He is having some struggles with his overall game, but like it was pointed out above he's on pace for 90+ points. So, points arent the problem.

It's true that the value of his contract compared to other players in the league kinda sucks, but that drama is over and we have what we have. No point in beating Mitch over his head with his very fat wallet..

The bigger problem, imo, is, like bcarlo points out, expectations. The leafs have more than a few things to iron out right now, but with the core they have they should be good going forward. It just might take longer than what we'd like.


Love mitchy, I think the narrative that he "drove" a line is complete nonsense but hes a great player, especially on special teams.
I think lowering expectations is silly. The kids didn't want to take a discount, they got paid, now they need to produce. No more "it's a process", if your a top 10 paid player you better live up to it.

It shouldn't be viewed as taking any longer. Need to try and win with Tavares in the back half of his prime and Reilly/Freddy on good contracts imo.
Management said themselves it was 5 year process when Babs came in. That that got accelerated at different points throughout those 5 years (34 draft, tavares signing)
This is year 5...
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Oct. 30, 2019 at 1:20 p.m.
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Love mitchy, I think the narrative that he "drove" a line is complete nonsense but hes a great player, especially on special teams.
I think lowering expectations is silly. The kids didn't want to take a discount, they got paid, now they need to produce. No more "it's a process", if your a top 10 paid player you better live up to it.

It shouldn't be viewed as taking any longer. Need to try and win with Tavares in the back half of his prime and Reilly/Freddy on good contracts imo.
Management said themselves it was 5 year process when Babs came in. That that got accelerated at different points throughout those 5 years (34 draft, tavares signing)
This is year 5...


I hear, ya. But Mitch isn't just overpaid by 1.5 - 2M a year on the leafs, he'd be overpaid by that much on every team. I doubt Marner would fetch Dumba for that reason alone, not to mention that I think it's only the media who believed that Mitch can drive a line. I doubt many other GMs buy the noise that Mitch is a top 5 player in the league. He isn't. But he is a very effective and complimentary player when he's at his best - and that isn't just about putting up points.

I'm not saying we should lower expectations, winning a cup shoild be the goal. I'm just saying that expectations are a bit out of line with reality right now. The leafs have been a 500 team since December. And while the roster looks good on paper, they're not cup contenders with the way their playing right now. Something needs to change to get to the next level..

I thought they had a good effort last night. But Ovi isnt wrong with what he said about the leafs..
Oct. 30, 2019 at 2:52 p.m.
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I hear, ya. But Mitch isn't just overpaid by 1.5 - 2M a year on the leafs, he'd be overpaid by that much on every team. I doubt Marner would fetch Dumba for that reason alone, not to mention that I think it's only the media who believed that Mitch can drive a line. I doubt many other GMs buy the noise that Mitch is a top 5 player in the league. He isn't. But he is a very effective and complimentary player when he's at his best - and that isn't just about putting up points.

I'm not saying we should lower expectations, winning a cup shoild be the goal. I'm just saying that expectations are a bit out of line with reality right now. The leafs have been a 500 team since December. And while the roster looks good on paper, they're not cup contenders with the way their playing right now. Something needs to change to get to the next level..

I thought they had a good effort last night. But Ovi isnt wrong with what he said about the leafs..


Exactly, so what needs to change...?
Oct. 30, 2019 at 2:57 p.m.
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Exactly, so what needs to change...?


A more consistent defensive core and a better team mentality are the two things the Leafs lack.
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Oct. 30, 2019 at 3:05 p.m.
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MLSE should replace Dubas with someone with your correct mindset!!
They won't..
They'll BURN..-~
Oct. 30, 2019 at 3:21 p.m.
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Edited Oct. 30, 2019 at 3:41 p.m.
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Exactly, so what needs to change...?


I like the easy answer, even if it's not the right answer. Trade Babcock.. wink

Honestly though? Probably just some patience that allows this team to grow to the next level. They've had some injuries, a tough schedule, some bad luck and shakey goaltending to start this seasons. Throw in a young core that needs some maturing,a massive amount of roster and coaching turnover, a long starved fanbase desperate for some success and a crazy local media and the situation isn't as bad as it seems. Stick to the plan and give it time. It's a talented group with some good prospects coming up.

Or, fire Babcock. Either or works for me.
Oct. 30, 2019 at 3:22 p.m.
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MLSE should replace Dubas with someone with your correct mindset!!
They won't..
They'll BURN..-~


This is a gloomy take.
Oct. 30, 2019 at 3:26 p.m.
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It IS that 4 sure..-~
Reality 4 MLSE is a living tragedy.. -~
Oct. 30, 2019 at 3:30 p.m.
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It IS that 4 sure..-~
Reality 4 MLSE is a living tragedy.. -~


I really don't understand the tragedy?? All of their assets have increased in value over the years??

Paying Marner 11 million isn't going to sink the company.
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Oct. 30, 2019 at 3:32 p.m.
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A more consistent defensive core and a better team mentality are the two things the Leafs lack.


The mentality thing is a big part of it, imo. I thought last night was a better showing by most guys. But they gotta put the effort in as a whole team game after game. You know, be gud pros.. jeebus,! Babcock might not be wrong..

But even if he's right, his shtick is getting hard to listen to all the time. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're starting to tune him out.
 
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