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Considering TBL Next Year

Created by: Wqrrior
Initial Creation Date: Nov 2, 2019
Published: Nov 2, 2019 at 4:14 pm
Team: 2020-21 Tampa Bay Lightning
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Cirelli, Anthony2$2,750,000
Cernak, Erik3$3,500,000
Sergachev, Mikhail3$5,125,000
Verhaeghe, Carter2$750,000
Volkov, Alexander2$850,000
Greer, AJ1$750,000
Joseph, Mathieu3$1,100,000
Rodrigues, Evan1$2,100,000
Smith, Gemel1$715,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Schenn, Luke1$700,000
Trades
TBL
  1. Greer, AJ [RFA Rights]
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Johnson, Tyler
TBL
  1. Rodrigues, Evan [RFA Rights]
  2. 2021 4th round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Killorn, Alex
Buyouts
  • Vincent Lecavalier: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TBL
VAN
TBL
TBL
TBL
DET
TBL
OTT
TBL
2021
TBL
TBL
COL
TBL
TBL
BUF
TBL
TBL
TBL
NSH
2022
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$83,256,666$0$500,000$243,334
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TBL
Volkov, Alexander
$850,000
LW, RW
RFA
TBL
Point, Brayden
$6,750,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
TBL
Palat, Ondrej
$5,300,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
$8,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
TBL
Joseph, Mathieu
$1,100,000
LW, RW
RFA
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
$5,166,666
RW, LW, C
NTC
UFA - 5
TBL
Cirelli, Anthony
$2,750,000
C
RFA
Rodrigues, Evan
$2,100,000
C, LW
RFA
Greer, AJ
$750,000
LW
RFA
TBL
Paquette, Cédric
$1,650,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
TBL
Verhaeghe, Carter
$750,000
C, LW
RFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TBL
Hedman, Victor
$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Sergachev, Mikhail
$5,125,000
LD
RFA
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
$9,500,000
G
UFA - 8
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 6
TBL
Cernak, Erik
$3,500,000
RD
RFA
TBL
McElhinney, Curtis
$1,300,000
G
UFA - 1
TBL
Coburn, Braydon
$1,700,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
TBL
Foote, Cal
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TBL
Witkowski, Luke
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
TBL
Smith, Gemel
$715,000
C
RFA

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Nov 2, 2019 at 6:10
#1
LongtimeLeafsufferer
Joined: Jul 2015
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Don't see Johnson waiving his NTC. Even Killorn can manipulate his 16 team trade list and likely can't be traded. No, until I see could reason why all the Tampa players would want to waive, they all stay put IMO.
Nov 2, 2019 at 6:24
#2
Thread Starter
Wqrrior
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 2,666
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Quoting: palhal
Don't see Johnson waiving his NTC. Even Killorn can manipulate his 16 team trade list and likely can't be traded. No, until I see could reason why all the Tampa players would want to waive, they all stay put IMO.


If they all stay put, how do they bring everyone back? It was tight for me to manage the RFAs even with moving almost 9M in cap.
Nov 2, 2019 at 6:36
#3
Joined: May 2017
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Quoting: palhal
Don't see Johnson waiving his NTC. Even Killorn can manipulate his 16 team trade list and likely can't be traded. No, until I see could reason why all the Tampa players would want to waive, they all stay put IMO.


Most players would waive if allowed to go to a team they like, since the alternative is unconditional waivers as they don’t have NMCs and resentment from fans for screwing the team. There’s no precedent for the idea of weaponizing an M-NTC against the team either. Killorn will likely fill his no-trade list with 16 teams he most strongly doesn’t want to play for, and if Buffalo keeps things up I don’t see them as one of those. Johnson would very probably waive for Colorado because the alternatives are worse than being moved from one powerhouse to another.

Plus, as of now, we look like utter garbage. That could help incentivize waiving clauses.
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Nov 2, 2019 at 6:49
#4
BOLT LOVER
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,736
Likes: 305
So basically your saying .. or hoping .. we can just have most of same team back next year? .. are you watching the games? .. cant put lipstick on a pig.

Definition of insanity .. doing same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Nov 2, 2019 at 10:57
#5
LongtimeLeafsufferer
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 29,483
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Quoting: Wqrrior
If they all stay put, how do they bring everyone back? It was tight for me to manage the RFAs even with moving almost 9M in cap.


Look at the players that can be moved. Don't sign Sergachov for 5.25m, trade him and 1m takes his place. or Cernak, or Point or Valiskey
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Nov 3, 2019 at 1:42
#6
Thread Starter
Wqrrior
Joined: Feb 2019
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Likes: 446
Quoting: palhal
Look at the players that can be moved. Don't sign Sergachov for 5.25m, trade him and 1m takes his place. or Cernak, or Point or Valiskey


TBL is not going to move Sergachev when there are 15 teams by which Killorn can go to. Killorn is going to be moved almost for certain.
Also can be near sure one of Palat or Johnson would consider at least a few teams each. TBL needs them less then Sergachev or Point.
Nov 3, 2019 at 4:10
#7
Go Boltz! & Go Avs!
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Edited Nov 3, 2019 at 4:16
Serg = never gets 5 million contract here for now... He is not good... he can't score a goal for his life for years... also he can't defend... try for 3 mill for start... also he has no weapons to demand 5... just no... not even close... i would give him right now 2.4 million $ @ 2 years... his other choice = sit out whole year forever and demand trade (LUL)... RFA's in this league can only hope GM's are bad like you in your proposal(no offense to you, that's what you have written in your topic, just stating facts you wrote) and they overpay young players = bad for team. They can also try sometimes arbitration which is never ends well = trade said player = can be to ottawa = rip your future... rip stanley cup dreams. If players on tampa wants to stay, they can only sign team friendly contracts, thats it... other than that, they are expendable...
What you need to do is sign bridge contracts to superstars like McEvoy in Boston for Peanuts... how close Sergachev to Mcavoy. Like Earth to Pluto.
5 mill LUL laugh Are you guys taking history lessons from Toronto's playbook?

BTW if you never watched a tampa game: Cernak > Serg by a huge margin...
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Nov 3, 2019 at 8:13
#8
BOLT LOVER
Joined: Dec 2018
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Likes: 305
Couldn't agree more with your assessment .. Sergachev last game as #1 pair D was a disgrace .. stopped counting at TEN own zone turnovers .. I would trade him for another top 4 defensive D and a 3rd line a forward who can score. Other teams will pay for potential .. but Sergachev will KILL us in playoffs other than a sheltered 3rd pair D which is fine but only worth 2M AAV
Nov 3, 2019 at 11:40
#9
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: Wqrrior
TBL is not going to move Sergachev when there are 15 teams by which Killorn can go to. Killorn is going to be moved almost for certain.
Also can be near sure one of Palat or Johnson would consider at least a few teams each. TBL needs them less then Sergachev or Point.


I think you're being optimistic about teams that can afford these players or what these players at that salary. Killorn at his 15 trade list. Some many teams are near the cap that can't afford to take without returning similar money back to Tampa which defeats the purpose of the trade. Plus the contracts of many of these NTCs are that good (or bad), so the demand for these guys isn't much, especially if the new teams aren't giving much cap back.
You're right TDL needs Sergachev and Point a lot more than Killorn, Palat and Johnson...but K,P, J and trade value isn't high and then there is the NTC.
It's going to be interesting how Tampa gets cap compliant by next year. Going to a busy last two weeks of June for Tampa and many teams.
We can probably have a fact based discussion of what Tampa did at that time.
We disagree on this subject but I enjoy your posts Mr Wqrrior.
 
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