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Edmonton and Colorado

Created by: shannon
Initial Creation Date: Oct 30, 2019
Published: Nov 4 at 4:09 pm
Team: 2019-20 New Jersey Devils
Team Explanation
Do the trade values equal out? please read the comments on the Hall trade.
Trades
NJD
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
EDM
  1. Anderson, Joseph
  2. 2020 4th round pick (BOS)
NJD
  1. Burakovsky, André
  2. Zadorov, Nikita
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
  4. 2020 1st round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Hall, Taylor
Additional Details:
Hall sign and trade. I am not sure the duration or amount, but I think he might take less, maybe in the 9.75 mil range for an obvious chance to compete for the cup for the next few years. Also I don't know if we could get both of the draft picks. Might be asking too much and might need to remove the first?
NJD
  1. Timmins, Conor
  2. 2020 4th round pick (COL)
COL
  1. Vatanen, Sami
Buyouts
  • Mike Cammalleri: $1,666,667
Recapture Fees
  • Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
NJD
COL
NJD
COL
NJD
NJD
NJD
2021
NJD
COL
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
2022
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
NJD
CBJ
NJD
NJD
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$73,813,333$0$5,875,000$7,686,667

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
COL
Burakovsky, André
$3,250,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
NJD
Hughes, Jack
$925,000
C
RFA - 3
NJD
Palmieri, Kyle
$4,650,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
NJD
Gusev, Nikita
$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
NJD
Hischier, Nico
$925,000
C
UFA - 1
NJD
Bratt, Jesper
$749,167
LW, RW
RFA - 1
NJD
Coleman, Blake
$1,800,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
NJD
Zajac, Travis
$5,750,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
NJD
Simmonds, Wayne
$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
NJD
Wood, Miles
$2,750,000
LW
RFA - 3
NJD
Zacha, Pavel
$2,250,000
C
RFA - 3
Puljujärvi, Jesse
$2,500,000
RW
RFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
COL
Zadorov, Nikita
$3,200,000
LD
RFA - 1
NJD
Subban, P.K.
$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
NJD
Blackwood, Mackenzie
$697,500
G
RFA - 1
NJD
Butcher, Will
$3,733,333
LD
UFA - 3
NJD
Severson, Damon
$4,166,666
RD
UFA - 4
NJD
Schneider, Cory
$6,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 3
NJD
Greene, Andy
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
NJD
Tennyson, Matt
$700,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
NJD
Rooney, Kevin
$700,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
NJD
Carrick, Connor
$1,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
NJD
Hayden, John
$750,000
C, RW
RFA - 1
NJD
Mueller, Mirco
$1,400,000
LD
RFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Gusev, N.
Hischier, N.
Burakovsky, A.
Palmieri, K.
Subban, P.
Power Play 2
Bratt, J.
Hughes, J.
Coleman, B.
Butcher, W.
Severson, D.
Penalty Kill 1
Zajac, T.
Coleman, B.
Zadorov, N.
Subban, P.
Penalty Kill 2
Zacha, P.
Hischier, N.
Greene, A.
Severson, D.

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Nov 4 at 4:17
#1
Dr.
Joined: May 2019
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I think the first colorado trade looks good, with an extension at 9.75 that a fair deal. I don't see them doing the 2nd trade though colorado has been waiting on timmins for a while now and he's finally back from injury i don't see us trading him for someone who will most likely get picked off in the expansion draft.
Nov 4 at 4:41
#2
Thread Starter
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Quoting: ArakinSkywalker
I think the first colorado trade looks good, with an extension at 9.75 that a fair deal. I don't see them doing the 2nd trade though colorado has been waiting on timmins for a while now and he's finally back from injury i don't see us trading him for someone who will most likely get picked off in the expansion draft.


I wasn't sure, I know you guys are looking for a cup run and thought he would help. He has been playing fairly well lately, but he is not a long term solution for us. At least I hope not.
Nov 4 at 5:02
#3
Joined: Jun 2015
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Edited Nov 4 at 5:07
that is too much, over payment.
Timmins Zads, Bura, and 3 draft picks? Dear lord that is just a gross over payment and a way to just gut a team, killing their cup window before it even opens fully

I would say the vast majority of avs fans (and the majority of any other teams fan base with that sort of value given up) would say thanks no thanks if that is what the cost of Hall is. Devils can ask for too much, not get a trade and he will walk for nothing
Nov 4 at 5:21
#4
Thread Starter
Joined: Jul 2019
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Likes: 8
Quoting: coga16
that is too much, over payment.
Timmins Zads, Bura, and 3 draft picks? Dear lord that is just a gross over payment and a way to just gut a team, killing their cup window before it even opens fully

I would say the vast majority of avs fans (and the majority of any other teams fan base with that sort of value given up) would say thanks no thanks if that is what the cost of Hall is. Devils can ask for too much, not get a trade and he will walk for nothing


for the Hall trade it was only two picks, and in the comments I noted that I thought it would be too much and had remove the 1st? To the Vatanen trade I figured Timmins was a second round pick, and Vatanen is playing well so added the 4th.

Remove the 1st from the Hall trade, remove the 4th from the Timmins trade, does that still look to be too much?
Nov 4 at 5:27
#5
Burgers and Hockey
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 8,085
Likes: 3,409
With guaranteed extension, I think it's a good deal for both. Actually I'd be surprised if NJ would take players such as Bura and Zadorov. i'd imagine them being after top prospects rather than mid-level NHL assets not improving much anymore.
Nov 4 at 5:37
#6
Cale 4 Calder
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 2,560
Likes: 1,057
I would do that Hall trade but pass on the Vatanen trade
Nov 4 at 5:43
#7
Joined: Jun 2015
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Quoting: shannon
for the Hall trade it was only two picks, and in the comments I noted that I thought it would be too much and had remove the 1st? To the Vatanen trade I figured Timmins was a second round pick, and Vatanen is playing well so added the 4th.

Remove the 1st from the Hall trade, remove the 4th from the Timmins trade, does that still look to be too much?


TImmins is a no go if thats a separate trade for Vatanen, Avs would never consider moving their golden boy (Sakic, Bednar etc love the kid and arent moving him). I dont think Avs have any interest in Vatanen, he doesnt fill a need what so ever. Hes worth more to the Avs than a 2nd, remember this was a prospect who was considered a top 50 in all the NHL before he got his concussion. The talent is still there.

if its an extended hall for 1st Bura and Zads, they do that all day, but adding the extra pick on top of the timmins move was just over kill,
Nov 4 at 5:44
#8
Joined: Jun 2015
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Likes: 1,686
Quoting: BurgerBoss
With guaranteed extension, I think it's a good deal for both. Actually I'd be surprised if NJ would take players such as Bura and Zadorov. i'd imagine them being after top prospects rather than mid-level NHL assets not improving much anymore.


oh I agree, I mean they would go for the Mark Stone package, which on the avs would be Byram Nieto and a 2nd. For the Avs who are trying to win the cup in the mack window, Hall would be nice but I think this really closes the window fast when you are swapping out Bura for Hall, and Vatanen for Zads but adding so much more cap hit that its almost next to impossible to resign Landeskog, Makar, and Grubi in 2 years.

This is win it now or else this blows up in your face and you get into cap hell before you even sniff the cup (like Toronto did) by doing this exact same move with Tavares
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Nov 4 at 6:15
#9
Joined: Dec 2017
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No on Burakovsky. Yes on Timmins. NJD are plenty deep at top 9 Forward. I'd rather have Zadorov and an extra pick/prospect. As far as Vatanen goes, he's playing his way into 1st rounder trade territory. He's playing excellent 2-way hockey. Devils core is crazy young and they should continue to build through the draft. I like Timmins though. I think he'd be a good fit alongside Ty Smith, a LHD.
Nov 4 at 8:46
#10
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Quoting: coga16
oh I agree, I mean they would go for the Mark Stone package, which on the avs would be Byram Nieto and a 2nd. For the Avs who are trying to win the cup in the mack window, Hall would be nice but I think this really closes the window fast when you are swapping out Bura for Hall, and Vatanen for Zads but adding so much more cap hit that its almost next to impossible to resign Landeskog, Makar, and Grubi in 2 years.

This is win it now or else this blows up in your face and you get into cap hell before you even sniff the cup (like Toronto did) by doing this exact same move with Tavares


I like your BB, Nieto, 2nd for a signed Hall
Nov 4 at 8:50
#11
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Quoting: Smitty426
I like your BB, Nieto, 2nd for a signed Hall


To me that's the fair comparison deal that was established by Mark Stone. Depending on what Hall signs for and where the Avs are at the time of the TDL, it would be wise for them to at least entertain the trade.

I would be torn if that deal did go down, if thats the case its probably a good sign that its a fair deal haha
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Nov 5 at 7:20
#12
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The Edmonton trade is pretty far off. No possible way Holland will go for that.
 
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