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People make fun of Oilers prospect development but

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remember when Nichushkin and Honka were the future of the Dallas Stars? Back-to-back first round busts. I understand Edmonton had first overall picks but I still find it funny that no one has criticized Dallas for their mismanagement (or bad assessment).
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Nov. 6, 2019 at 5:59 a.m.
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Dallas when people talk about how crap Edmonton's prospect development team is
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Nov. 6, 2019 at 6:06 a.m.
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And Jack Campbell. He was an ECHL goalie in Dallas, now he is replacing quick.
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Nov. 6, 2019 at 6:18 a.m.
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Glennie, Oleksiak, Tufte...
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Nov. 6, 2019 at 6:20 a.m.
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If they were not so bad at drafting and developing, they probably would have won a cup before Spezza fell off a cliff.
Nov. 6, 2019 at 6:52 a.m.
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duh every team has bad prospects.
No one makes fun of a teams development. They all have just as many flops.
We make fun of how much oilers fans over value their busts.
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Nov. 6, 2019 at 7:08 a.m.
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duh every team has bad prospects.
No one makes fun of a teams development. They all have just as many flops.
We make fun of how much oilers fans over value their busts.


What’s your rating on jets since they got to wpg, a sutter, possibly Stanley and way too early vaselainen. Or what do you figure
Nov. 6, 2019 at 7:38 a.m.
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Home runs on hintz and heiskanen of late probably saves the ridicule,
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Nov. 6, 2019 at 8:04 a.m.
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duh every team has bad prospects.
No one makes fun of a teams development. They all have just as many flops.
We make fun of how much oilers fans over value their busts.


The literal...every team has busts...ok yeah I hear you there for sure, but there are definitely teams that draft and develop better than others. Just look at the Arizona Coyotes history. I actually like the coyotes too, but when were talking Martin Hanzel, Mikkel Boedker, and Kyle Turris as 50% of your top 6 draft picks in the past 20+ years. (Blake Wheeler, Ek, and Yandle the other 3) AZ has a problem. We could make an argument that Max Domi or Dylan Strome should be in that list, but AZ messed them up. They needed to go elsewhere to actually find success.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/ARI/draft.html
Nov. 6, 2019 at 8:31 a.m.
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If they were not so bad at drafting and developing, they probably would have won a cup before Spezza fell off a cliff.


Bingo
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Nov. 6, 2019 at 8:35 a.m.
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The literal...every team has busts...ok yeah I hear you there for sure, but there are definitely teams that draft and develop better than others. Just look at the Arizona Coyotes history. I actually like the coyotes too, but when were talking Martin Hanzel, Mikkel Boedker, and Kyle Turris as 50% of your top 6 draft picks in the past 20+ years. (Blake Wheeler, Ek, and Yandle the other 3) AZ has a problem. We could make an argument that Max Domi or Dylan Strome should be in that list, but AZ messed them up. They needed to go elsewhere to actually find success.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/ARI/draft.html


Honestly, I think Arizona has been worse then Dallas in prospect development the past few years. Especially because while Nichushkin and Honka are either not in the NHL or barely hanging on, Max Domi is becoming a star in Montreal and Dylan Strome is a bona fide second-line center in Chicago (likely to become first line C if Toews retires soon). Not to mention Duclair is solid in Ottawa and Anthony DeAngelo in NY. And as for players they haven't traded away (yet), Keller is good but arguably hasn't lived up to expectations yet; Chychrun, while he has battled injuries, was supposed to be a no. 1 defender; Lawson Crouse was all the rage in his draft year and I often forget he even exists now; and I honestly couldn't even tell you whether junior standout Nick Merkley is in the NHL right now without looking at his EP page. Not to mention that they go after aging players - Hjalmarsson, Goligoski, Stepan, Kessel - in place of these young guys they trade away. Jury is still out on Dvorak, Hayton and Dineen, but everything else has just been a disappointment in Arizona under Chayka.
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Nov. 6, 2019 at 9:12 a.m.
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In the last 10 years the oilers have had 9 top 10 picks and 4 first overall picks. 2 of those 1st overall picks aren’t in the nhl anymore......Like oilers picked 1st overall 3 years in a row.... just saying.

X generation penguins had similar draft luck. Only difference is they made playoffs consistently and won a cup. Lost in the finals also in their first 10 years
Nov. 6, 2019 at 9:13 a.m.
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Gurianov too might not be a bust but when he was drafted. Barzal, Connor, Konecny, Chabot, Boeser, etc were all available.
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Nov. 6, 2019 at 9:35 a.m.
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Correction: Everyone makes fun of everyone else.
Nov. 6, 2019 at 9:45 a.m.
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My beloved Ducklings confuse the heck out of me when it comes to development...

Getzy, Perry, Rakell, Kase, Manson etc. were all either late 1sts, or late picks...same with the new young guys like Steel, Mahura, Terry, Comtois, etc...They've also been pretty solid when it comes to developing goalies (Gibby, Hiller).

But then you look at earlier picks like Larsson (PULL IT TOGETHER MANNNN!) and Ritchie and it just makes me shake my head.

I suppose every team has "busts" to some degree, but it hurts more when it happens to your team.

Edit: I guess Hampus was a high pick, and was somewhat of a reach when they picked him, so there's that.
Nov. 6, 2019 at 10:03 a.m.
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My beloved Ducklings confuse the heck out of me when it comes to development...

Getzy, Perry, Rakell, Kase, Manson etc. were all either late 1sts, or late picks...same with the new young guys like Steel, Mahura, Terry, Comtois, etc...They've also been pretty solid when it comes to developing goalies (Gibby, Hiller).

But then you look at earlier picks like Larsson (PULL IT TOGETHER MANNNN!) and Ritchie and it just makes me shake my head.

I suppose every team has "busts" to some degree, but it hurts more when it happens to your team.

Edit: I guess Hampus was a high pick, and was somewhat of a reach when they picked him, so there's that.


2014 wasn't a good draft year: Virtanen, Fleury, etc were worse.
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Nov. 6, 2019 at 10:17 a.m.
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The literal...every team has busts...ok yeah I hear you there for sure, but there are definitely teams that draft and develop better than others. Just look at the Arizona Coyotes history. I actually like the coyotes too, but when were talking Martin Hanzel, Mikkel Boedker, and Kyle Turris as 50% of your top 6 draft picks in the past 20+ years. (Blake Wheeler, Ek, and Yandle the other 3) AZ has a problem. We could make an argument that Max Domi or Dylan Strome should be in that list, but AZ messed them up. They needed to go elsewhere to actually find success.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/ARI/draft.html


look first thing first is that prospect development is more than just 1st round picks. The best programs are the ones that can develop talent in later rounds. I think that is where you really figure out where the best player development is. When you can do more with less physically gifted players that says a lot, or you can find that diamond in the ruff.
The second thing is, teams can only do with what the draft gives them. There are whole years in NHL drafts that frankly didn't produce all that much talent. Is that the teams fault that there are weak draft years? At the end of the day you have to pick someone, even if the pool of talent isn't really all that deep.
Third the odds of any 1st round draft pick outside maybe 1 and 2OA being an NHL regular is roughly 50% with that really sinking down below that in the last picks of the 1st round being propped up percentage wise by the guys at the top of the draft. That means every year half the teams are choosing someone who doesn't really make it.

The stats wouldn't be what they are if every team didn't have issues at some point. It's not like drafting in the NFL where you are picking players who are 20+ years old. In the NHL you are drafting at 18 and hoping the development continues. That has it's issues and it's advantages. But truth is you don't know what happens between then and when they play. Some kids at 18 are developed look like pro level players but end up not being because they are already at their peek and simply performed well against smaller players. Others need to develop more and you don't know how that's going to turn out. But the reality is, all teams have problems figuring that out.
Nov. 6, 2019 at 10:44 a.m.
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2014 wasn't a good draft year: Virtanen, Fleury, etc were worse.


Forgot about Logan McMillan too unsure
Nov. 6, 2019 at 11:11 a.m.
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difference is that oilers messed up very high draft picks and dallas middle of the pack
 
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