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Created by: yikes
Initial Creation Date: Nov 7, 2019
Published: Nov 7 at 9:58 am
Team: 2019-20 Boston Bruins
Trades
BOS
  1. Toffoli, Tyler
  2. 2020 4th round pick (CGY)
LAK
  1. Backes, David
  2. Zboril, Jakub
  3. 2020 1st round pick (BOS)
  4. 2020 5th round pick (BOS)
Buyouts
  • Dennis Seidenberg: $1,166,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Matt Beleskey: $1,900,000 (50%)
Buried
  • Chris Wagner: $175,000 ($1,250,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
BOS
BOS
CGY
BOS
BOS
2021
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
2022
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
BOS
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$75,059,999$0$2,882,500$6,440,001
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BOS
Marchand, Brad
$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
$6,875,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
BOS
Pastrnak, David
$6,666,666
RW
UFA - 4
BOS
DeBrusk, Jake
$863,333
LW
RFA - 1
BOS
Krejci, David
$7,250,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
LAK
Toffoli, Tyler
$4,600,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
BOS
Bjork, Anders
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
BOS
Coyle, Charlie
$3,200,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
BOS
Heinen, Danton
$2,800,000
C, LW, RW
RFA - 2
BOS
Nordström, Joakim
$1,000,000
LW
UFA - 1
BOS
Kuraly, Sean
$1,275,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BOS
Senyshyn, Zach
$863,333
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BOS
Chara, Zdeno
$2,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
BOS
McAvoy, Charlie
$4,900,000
RD
RFA - 3
BOS
Rask, Tuukka
$7,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Krug, Torey
$5,250,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
Carlo, Brandon
$2,850,000
RD
RFA - 2
BOS
Halák, Jaroslav
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
BOS
Grzelcyk, Matt
$1,400,000
LD
RFA - 1
BOS
Clifton, Connor
$725,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BOS
Miller, Kevan
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
BOS
Moore, John
$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 4

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Nov 7 at 10:00
#1
Silkysmooth
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Way to get both done. As long as LA is on his trade list this could work! As a bruins fan, id say bruins need to probably thrown like a 2nd rounder in, but other than that good trade!
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Nov 7 at 10:02
#2
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y i k e s
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Quoting: bsilk18
Way to get both done. As long as LA is on his trade list this could work! As a bruins fan, id say bruins need to probably thrown like a 2nd rounder in, but other than that good trade!


I assume Zb would make up for the 2nd as I’d expect similar to the sharks, not having a pick in the first 2 rounds is horrifying and likely wouldn’t happen, so maybe a 2020 3rd could be added
Nov 7 at 10:37
#3
Joined: Mar 2019
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Quoting: yikes
I assume Zb would make up for the 2nd as I’d expect similar to the sharks, not having a pick in the first 2 rounds is horrifying and likely wouldn’t happen, so maybe a 2020 3rd could be added


As a Kings fan, Zboril isn't the guy that LA would target, as the Kings have plenty of defensemen in the pipeline at the moment. To get out of any more picks, you'll need to include someone expansion draft exempt, preferably a winger. Maybe a guy like Jakub Lauko. If you aren't willing to do that, then don't bother adding in another player, change it to a 2021 2nd with a condition on "if the Bruins win the Stanley Cup or resign Toffoli, it becomes a 2021 1st". The 2020 1st is the price of getting rid of Backes, since the Bruins are so strapped for cash. I'd even retain on Toffoli to make it easier for the Bruins to make other moves at the deadline as needed, and up the pick coming back.

Toffoli + 2020 4th CAL
for
David Backes + Jakub Lauko + 2020 1st BOS + 2020 5th BOS

OR

Toffoli ($2.3mil retained) + 2020 3rd LAK
for
Backes + Lauko + 2020 1st BOS + 2021 2nd BOS** Conditions on 2nd are it becomes a 1st if Toffoli resigns or the Bruins win the 2020 Stanley Cup.
Nov 7 at 10:39
#4
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
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Quoting: PuckLuck_77
As a Kings fan, Zboril isn't the guy that LA would target, as the Kings have plenty of defensemen in the pipeline at the moment. To get out of any more picks, you'll need to include someone expansion draft exempt, preferably a winger. Maybe a guy like Jakub Lauko. If you aren't willing to do that, then don't bother adding in another player, change it to a 2021 2nd with a condition on "if the Bruins win the Stanley Cup or resign Toffoli, it becomes a 2021 1st". The 2020 1st is the price of getting rid of Backes, since the Bruins are so strapped for cash. I'd even retain on Toffoli to make it easier for the Bruins to make other moves at the deadline as needed, and up the pick coming back.

Toffoli + 2020 4th CAL
for
David Backes + Jakub Lauko + 2020 1st BOS + 2020 5th BOS

OR

Toffoli ($2.3mil retained) + 2020 3rd LAK
for
Backes + Lauko + 2020 1st BOS + 2021 2nd BOS** Conditions on 2nd are it becomes a 1st if Toffoli resigns or the Bruins win the 2020 Stanley Cup.


There is no universe where the bruins give up two first round picks for toffoli. I don’t think there’s a chance they give up one.
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Nov 7 at 10:41
#5
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
There is no universe where the bruins give up two first round picks for toffoli. I don’t think there’s a chance they give up one.


It's 1 pick for giving up Backes, 1 Possible 1st for getting Toffoli.
Nov 7 at 10:57
#6
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: PuckLuck_77
It's 1 pick for giving up Backes, 1 Possible 1st for getting Toffoli.


Yup, i got that. No and no.
Nov 7 at 11:12
#7
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Quoting: PuckLuck_77
As a Kings fan, Zboril isn't the guy that LA would target, as the Kings have plenty of defensemen in the pipeline at the moment. To get out of any more picks, you'll need to include someone expansion draft exempt, preferably a winger. Maybe a guy like Jakub Lauko. If you aren't willing to do that, then don't bother adding in another player, change it to a 2021 2nd with a condition on "if the Bruins win the Stanley Cup or resign Toffoli, it becomes a 2021 1st". The 2020 1st is the price of getting rid of Backes, since the Bruins are so strapped for cash. I'd even retain on Toffoli to make it easier for the Bruins to make other moves at the deadline as needed, and up the pick coming back.

Toffoli + 2020 4th CAL
for
David Backes + Jakub Lauko + 2020 1st BOS + 2020 5th BOS

OR

Toffoli ($2.3mil retained) + 2020 3rd LAK
for
Backes + Lauko + 2020 1st BOS + 2021 2nd BOS** Conditions on 2nd are it becomes a 1st if Toffoli resigns or the Bruins win the 2020 Stanley Cup.


Lol, you are funny.

First, Kings D is pretty much barren after your top 2 and and your prospects are not that deep or special either.

Second, Toffoli is worth a 2nd and a mid level prospect.

This trade is pretty close in value. Zboril could be replaced by any number of prospects or Grizz. And the 20 5th should be a 21 3rd.

Otherwise we can keep Backes and give you fair market value for Toffoli, the 2nd and mid level prospect, and clear cap space elsewhere. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Nov 7 at 11:39
#8
Silkysmooth
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Lol, you are funny.

First, Kings D is pretty much barren after your top 2 and and your prospects are not that deep or special either.

Second, Toffoli is worth a 2nd and a mid level prospect.

This trade is pretty close in value. Zboril could be replaced by any number of prospects or Grizz. And the 20 5th should be a 21 3rd.

Otherwise we can keep Backes and give you fair market value for Toffoli, the 2nd and mid level prospect, and clear cap space elsewhere. 🤷🏻‍♂️


This is perfect

@PuckLuck_77 yeah listen Backes' Contract is worth a 1st rounder
Toffoli is worth a prospect and a 2nd maybe...

Your deal is:
Toffoli and a 4th
for
Backes, 2020 1st, Lauko OR Zboril (whichever they need), and a conditional 2021 3rd that can become a 2nd if Toffoli resigns (this makes it a rental vs a good trade if he resigns)
Nov 7 at 11:47
#9
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Lol, you are funny.

First, Kings D is pretty much barren after your top 2 and and your prospects are not that deep or special either.

Second, Toffoli is worth a 2nd and a mid level prospect.

This trade is pretty close in value. Zboril could be replaced by any number of prospects or Grizz. And the 20 5th should be a 21 3rd.

Otherwise we can keep Backes and give you fair market value for Toffoli, the 2nd and mid level prospect, and clear cap space elsewhere. 🤷🏻‍♂️


NHL-level D on the Kings is barren at this exact moment, yes. I'd encourage you to take a look at their defensive prospects again, though, as I sincerely think you are underrating them. The AHL team is stacked with NHL-level prospects. Bjornfot, Anderson, Durzi, Clague, Brickley all are projected as NHL'rs (granted at different ceilings). Bjornfot will be Doughty's partner next year (and was one of the few players of the 2019 draft to get time in the NHL this year). Anderson has excelled at every level he has played at, and continues to do so, even in his first pro year. Clague is expected to get NHL time this year, and would have last year if not for his broken foot (that was stated by Rob Blake). You should see Durzi in a Kings' sweater by the end of the 2020-21 season, most likely replacing Roy.

Sure, there's no superstar in that mix, but the Kings still have Doughty so they don't need one just yet. Sean Walker is turning into a decent 2nd pairing defenseman as well. So no, the defensive depth isn't what the Kings will want to address at this point in time. They are biting the bullet this year for another high pick, not attempting to shore up the defense to make a run this year.

As far as the trade goes, the 2nd one was my obvious reach, but I don't see how the first counter is too much different from what you said. It's exactly the same as OPs but changing out Zboril for one of the "any number of prospects". And that's not even changing the 5th to a 3rd.

I also don't have a problem with not taking Backes on. I'd be just fine with a 2nd and a prospect. Not sure who you consider "mid-level" on the Bruins, but that's why I looked at Lauko. It's not like I automatically requested Beecher lol.
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Nov 7 at 12:11
#10
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Lol, you are funny.

First, Kings D is pretty much barren after your top 2 and and your prospects are not that deep or special either.

Second, Toffoli is worth a 2nd and a mid level prospect.

This trade is pretty close in value. Zboril could be replaced by any number of prospects or Grizz. And the 20 5th should be a 21 3rd.

Otherwise we can keep Backes and give you fair market value for Toffoli, the 2nd and mid level prospect, and clear cap space elsewhere. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Grizz for toffoli makes the team worse short and long term, AND messes with the cap
Nov 7 at 12:18
#11
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Quoting: PuckLuck_77
NHL-level D on the Kings is barren at this exact moment, yes. I'd encourage you to take a look at their defensive prospects again, though, as I sincerely think you are underrating them. The AHL team is stacked with NHL-level prospects. Bjornfot, Anderson, Durzi, Clague, Brickley all are projected as NHL'rs (granted at different ceilings). Bjornfot will be Doughty's partner next year (and was one of the few players of the 2019 draft to get time in the NHL this year). Anderson has excelled at every level he has played at, and continues to do so, even in his first pro year. Clague is expected to get NHL time this year, and would have last year if not for his broken foot (that was stated by Rob Blake). You should see Durzi in a Kings' sweater by the end of the 2020-21 season, most likely replacing Roy.

Sure, there's no superstar in that mix, but the Kings still have Doughty so they don't need one just yet. Sean Walker is turning into a decent 2nd pairing defenseman as well. So no, the defensive depth isn't what the Kings will want to address at this point in time. They are biting the bullet this year for another high pick, not attempting to shore up the defense to make a run this year.

As far as the trade goes, the 2nd one was my obvious reach, but I don't see how the first counter is too much different from what you said. It's exactly the same as OPs but changing out Zboril for one of the "any number of prospects". And that's not even changing the 5th to a 3rd.

I also don't have a problem with not taking Backes on. I'd be just fine with a 2nd and a prospect. Not sure who you consider "mid-level" on the Bruins, but that's why I looked at Lauko. It's not like I automatically requested Beecher lol.



Mid level is more like Oskar Steen, Cameton Hughes, J Koopannen type. Laukko is a no go. I’m not as high on him as most but his in the mix for top 5 B’s prospects which is more of an indictment of B’s than of Laukko.

I’ve always said something like 2nd, Senyshyn, Moore for Toffoli with some retention. LA does not have to be saddled with Backes. They get a little more than his trade value. Seny needs a new home. No matter what he does he will always be the guy that should not have been picked. He may yet turn out to be a solid NHLer but will never escape that label in Boston. Best for everyone if he was moved. Moore adds a depth d man at a reasonable cap hit with term. No room for him here. He was brought in for insurance. Nice to have but Backes cap hit makes it to hard to keep Moore around.
Nov 7 at 12:22
#12
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Edited Nov 7 at 12:27
Quoting: Bcarlo25
Grizz for toffoli makes the team worse short and long term, AND messes with the cap


Quoting: Bcarlo25
Grizz for toffoli makes the team worse short and long term, AND messes with the cap



Hardly. Grizz is a 4/5 d man. Deal with it. Any of the AHL 3 could step in and be no worse off.

Makes the cap better next year and beyond as they don’t have to pay him 4m next year. They can use one of the AHL 3 at 900k.

If They retain on Toffoli or B’s move Moore and Miller it has no affect this year.
Nov 7 at 12:24
#13
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Hardly. Grizz is a 4/5 d man. Deal with it.

Makes the cap better next year and beyond as they don’t have to pay him 4m next year. They can use on of the AHL 3 at 900k.

If They retain on Toffoli or B’s move Moore and Miller it has no affect this year.


I would like to see if any of the kids in providence can handle the 2nd line role. i get it makes the team better if you have someone in the nhl proven already but trading defensive depth that we've needed back to back years in the playoffs and ultimately cost us the cup because we didnt have that healthy 3rd pairing was brutal. I doubt they trade away miller and moore.
Nov 7 at 12:27
#14
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Hardly. Grizz is a 4/5 d man. Deal with it. Any of the AHL 3 could step in and be no worse off.

Makes the cap better next year and beyond as they don’t have to pay him 4m next year. They can use on of the AHL 3 at 900k.

If They retain on Toffoli or B’s move Moore and Miller it has no affect this year.




As of right now he’s mcavoys partner
Nov 7 at 12:31
#15
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
As of right now he’s mcavoys partner


So? Lindholm played 2C for a few games. Does that make him a top 6 center? He’s still the 5th best d man on the team, 6th when Miller comes back. The gap between him and Clifton is not that wide either. And i will argue with you all day long that the 3 in the A will all end being better NhLers. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Nov 7 at 12:37
#16
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Quoting: hanson493
I would like to see if any of the kids in providence can handle the 2nd line role. i get it makes the team better if you have someone in the nhl proven already but trading defensive depth that we've needed back to back years in the playoffs and ultimately cost us the cup because we didnt have that healthy 3rd pairing was brutal. I doubt they trade away miller and moore.


How often do teams have to go through 13 d man like B’s did last year? Year before they were not very deep, they lost CMiller and McQuaid and their was little help ready in the system.

Miller is on his final year and unlikely to re-signed just due to roster size and cap. Hate to see him go. But he should be for the health of the roster. In a perfect world Backes hangs them up and goes in LTIR problem solved. Toffoli with some retention and Miller moved would have little affect on the current cap.
Nov 7 at 12:40
#17
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Gofnut999
So? Lindholm played 2C for a few games. Does that make him a top 6 center? He’s still the 5th best d man on the team, 6th when Miller comes back. The gap between him and Clifton is not that wide either. And i will argue with you all day long that the 3 in the A will all end being better NhLers. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Saying that Kevan miller is better than Matt grzelcyk has ended this, and all future conversations between us. I see no point in discussing hockey with you. Enjoy the season!
Nov 7 at 12:43
#18
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Saying that Kevan miller is better than Matt grzelcyk has ended this, and all future conversations between us. I see no point in discussing hockey with you. Enjoy the season!


You have major blinders on when it comes to him.
Nov 7 at 12:44
#19
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Quoting: Gofnut999
How often do teams have to go through 13 d man like B’s did last year? Year before they were not very deep, they lost CMiller and McQuaid and their was little help ready in the system.

Miller is on his final year and unlikely to re-signed just due to roster size and cap. Hate to see him go. But he should be for the health of the roster. In a perfect world Backes hangs them up and goes in LTIR problem solved. Toffoli with some retention and Miller moved would have little affect on the current cap.


Dude i watched tommy cross play a playoff game in person. Ill take 13 dmen if it keeps guys like cross not having to appear in a playoff game.
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Nov 7 at 12:46
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Quoting: Gofnut999
You have major blinders on when it comes to him.


both are good in their respective roles. miller is a bigger bodied hard hitter with some speed (no idea what that looks like post injury) but isnt a goal scoring threat, hes a typical defensive dman. grz is your smaller body 2 way. his style of play, speed, ability to transition out of the dzone but also play smart hockey is what makes him the most underrated player on this team.
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Nov 7 at 12:54
#21
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Quoting: hanson493
both are good in their respective roles. miller is a bigger bodied hard hitter with some speed (no idea what that looks like post injury) but isnt a goal scoring threat, hes a typical defensive dman. grz is your smaller body 2 way. his style of play, speed, ability to transition out of the dzone but also play smart hockey is what makes him the most underrated player on this team.


Miller is not a goal scoring threat. Neither is Grizz. They put up the same amount of goals/points. Miller is much better in his own end. More physical, better in the corners. Grizz is better skater and puck mover as such will create more offense for the players around him but adds little of his own. All things being equal i’ll take Miller all day every day of the 2. Miller being older, injury prone, and UFA to be completely affects the dynamic.
Nov 7 at 12:56
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Quoting: hanson493
Dude i watched tommy cross play a playoff game in person. Ill take 13 dmen if it keeps guys like cross not having to appear in a playoff game.


Ya, that was pathetic. But even moving 2 or 3 d men today....they’d still be deeper than having to resort to a Tommy Cross....ever. Lol.
Nov 7 at 1:43
#23
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Ya, that was pathetic. But even moving 2 or 3 d men today....they’d still be deeper than having to resort to a Tommy Cross....ever. Lol.


maybe maybe not. again this was only what 3 years? but ide take all the nhl caliber dmen i could and try and keep them for the cup run.
Nov 7 at 1:44
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Miller is not a goal scoring threat. Neither is Grizz. They put up the same amount of goals/points. Miller is much better in his own end. More physical, better in the corners. Grizz is better skater and puck mover as such will create more offense for the players around him but adds little of his own. All things being equal i’ll take Miller all day every day of the 2. Miller being older, injury prone, and UFA to be completely affects the dynamic.


Grz is arguably the teams best scoring chances for generator in terms of defenseman because of how good he was at moving the puck, seeing the ice, and distributing it. i think you are way underrating grz. if hes healthy for the cup last year bruins win it.
Nov 7 at 11:41
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Quoting: hanson493
Grz is arguably the teams best scoring chances for generator in terms of defenseman because of how good he was at moving the puck, seeing the ice, and distributing it. i think you are way underrating grz. if hes healthy for the cup last year bruins win it.


They win it if refs call tripping on Bozak in game 5. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I am not undervaluing him. I know what he is and what he does. But in the end he’s an undersized, 26 year old, 15 point d man that is at best mediocre in his own end. He’s a 4/5. Certainly not the 5-6m guy that many seem to think. 3.5 - 4 maybe. Seriously if this guy was from Latvia people could see him as is. The same people that think Grizz is worth 5+ would be running Krug out of town if he was a 15 point guy. Hell many want him gone now and would keep Grizz over him. Crazy. To each their own i guess.
 
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