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Evgeni Malkin vs Auston Matthews

Created by: MitchMarnerElite
Initial Creation Date: Nov 7, 2019
Published: Nov 8, 2019 at 12:42
Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
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During Auston Matthews' draft year, there were many experts who said he was a very similar type of player to Malkin. Big, dominant and more defensively responsible.

Now, the real question is, who is better?

I will only compare them based off their first 3 seasons since that is only fair; Matthews hasn't hit his prime whereas Malkin is past it.

So, Matthews has 205 points (111 goals) in 212 regular season games (0.96 PPG). In the playoffs, he has 10 goals and 13 points in 20 games (0.65 PPG).

Malkin in 242 regular season games scored 115 goals and 304 points (1.256 PPG). In the playoffs, he had 24 goals and 62 points in 49 games (1.26 PPG).

So, who's better?
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  • Nick Bjugstad: $2,050,000 (50%)
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  • Casey DeSmith: $175,000 ($1,250,000)
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Guentzel, Jake
$6,000,000
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UFA - 5
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Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
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UFA - 6
PIT
Galchenyuk, Alex
$4,900,000
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UFA - 1
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McCann, Jared
$1,250,000
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RFA - 1
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Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
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UFA - 3
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Rust, Bryan
$3,500,000
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Kahun, Dominik
$925,000
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RFA - 1
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Bjugstad, Nick
$2,050,000
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UFA - 2
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Simon, Dominik
$750,000
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RFA - 1
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Aston-Reese, Zach
$1,000,000
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Blueger, Teddy
$750,000
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Tanev, Brandon
$3,500,000
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Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
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Marino, John
$925,000
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Murray, Matt
$3,750,000
G
RFA - 1
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Pettersson, Marcus
$874,125
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UFA - 1
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Schultz, Justin
$5,500,000
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Jarry, Tristan
$675,000
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Johnson, Jack
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Ruhwedel, Chad
$700,000
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Riikola, Juuso
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Hörnqvist, Patric
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Nov 8, 2019 at 12:44
#1
RangerWall92
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Matthews is better
Nov 8, 2019 at 12:51
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@Yojimbo @pharrow @sidstick87 Make sure you guys comment on this!
Nov 8, 2019 at 12:52
#3
bigZ
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Quoting: RangerWall92
Matthews is better


LMAO what di fook is dis. Malkin takes sh*ts better than Matthews
Nov 8, 2019 at 1:02
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Dr.
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You kind of forget how dominant Malkin was with Crosby getting all the attention
Nov 8, 2019 at 1:05
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Malkin.... Malkin is one of the best players all time when hes on his game
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Nov 8, 2019 at 1:07
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Quoting: RangerWall92
Matthews is better


Don't forget to vote!
Nov 8, 2019 at 1:10
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The real question is who was a better goal scorer, Malkin or Joe Malone.

The second real question is, what is the point of this post? Pens fans looking to reminisce about when Malkin was arguably the 2nd best player in the game behind their other centre? Or is this just a weird attempt at riling up Leaf fans.
Nov 8, 2019 at 1:16
#8
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In the first 3 years only?
I think Malkin was the better player.
Look it's hard to judge this. The game has really changed. There is a huge emphasis on speed now, that wasn't the case when Malkin came into the league. Because of that, he looked so much more dominate that a lot of the other players in the league.
Mathews is going to have most of his career in a different era. It's a track meet out there now. There are better athletes out on the ice, and to be as dominate is a much harder task today than it was 10 years ago. There are also changes in things like goalie equipment and the rules to the game. All those things mess with numbers so I don't really think you can look simply at numbers and I don't think it's really easy to compare to their "peers" because of the qualitative difference there.

What I do know, is that Malkin was the best player on the ice when they won a cup in 09 in his 3rd year. And one could also make the argument he was the best player on the ice the year they lost in 08.
They did that in the salary cap era. With the same sort of challenges TOR has do deal with. And they did it against arguably a better team in Detroit.
Nov 8, 2019 at 1:31
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
The real question is who was a better goal scorer, Malkin or Joe Malone.

The second real question is, what is the point of this post? Pens fans looking to reminisce about when Malkin was arguably the 2nd best player in the game behind their other centre? Or is this just a weird attempt at riling up Leaf fans.


Its not that deep
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Nov 8, 2019 at 1:38
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Its not that deep


But what of Joe Malone? Single greatest ever goal scoring season in the history of the league. Almost no one knows his name.
Nov 8, 2019 at 2:19
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TML1991
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Quoting: CBJ4CUP
Malkin.... Malkin is one of the best players all time when hes on his game


not even a top 100 player tho
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Nov 8, 2019 at 2:26
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I am going to lean Malkin.

However, Malkin had the advantage of Crosby being on the other line pulling defensive assignments from both top D and top defensive forwards.
Nov 8, 2019 at 2:33
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Right now? Matthew is better. But if we are comparing primes it's Malkin.
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Nov 8, 2019 at 2:39
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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05
Its not that deep


Quoting: LoganOllivier
But what of Joe Malone? Single greatest ever goal scoring season in the history of the league. Almost no one knows his name.


Everyone knows that Joe Malone was one of the pure goal scorers ever, but he is not the same type of player as Malkin. Malkin, Matthews and Byfield all play the same style, they're big, have tremendous skill and are dominant.
Nov 8, 2019 at 2:39
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Quoting: TML1991
not even a top 100 player tho


This is true, fk
Nov 8, 2019 at 2:39
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
Right now? Matthew is better. But if we are comparing primes it's Malkin.


Well, Matthews hasn't peaked yet, that's why I'm only comparing based off their first 3 seasons.
Nov 8, 2019 at 2:40
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Everyone knows that Joe Malone was one of the pure goal scorers ever, but he is not the same type of player as Malkin. Malkin, Matthews and Byfield all play the same style, they're big, have tremendous skill and are dominant.


Logan Oliver is a joke, literally knows nothen
Nov 8, 2019 at 2:41
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Everyone knows that Joe Malone was one of the pure goal scorers ever, but he is not the same type of player as Malkin. Malkin, Matthews and Byfield all play the same style, they're big, have tremendous skill and are dominant.


What are you talking about! Joe Malone scored more than 2 goals a game! His goals per game were higher than Malkins points per game! Why are we not talking more about Joe Malone?
Nov 8, 2019 at 2:41
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
Right now? Matthew is better. But if we are comparing primes it's Malkin.


This.
Nov 8, 2019 at 2:42
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Quoting: CBJ4CUP
Logan Oliver is a joke, literally knows nothen


Seriously? For being the guy that someone just said "Knows nothing" you are chirping Joe Malone without knowing who he is. Give him a quick google there boomer before throwing out insults. Joe Malone is sick.
Nov 8, 2019 at 3:00
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Malkin. Not even a competition.
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Nov 8, 2019 at 4:38
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Seriously? For being the guy that someone just said "Knows nothing" you are chirping Joe Malone without knowing who he is. Give him a quick google there boomer before throwing out insults. Joe Malone is sick.


Im not denying that, but you also said Nylander will be a 90 point guy?
Nov 8, 2019 at 4:42
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Quoting: CBJ4CUP
Im not denying that, but you also said Nylander will be a 90 point guy?


Even Nylander can't hold a candle to Joe Malone!
Nov 8, 2019 at 6:00
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Quoting: LoganOllivier
Even Nylander can't hold a candle to Joe Malone!


ahhh just waiting for the day for you swallow ur pride about nylander and marner contract situation
Nov 8, 2019 at 7:39
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Quoting: CBJ4CUP
ahhh just waiting for the day for you swallow ur pride about nylander and marner contract situation


Imagine what Malone would make in this market!
 
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