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Hornqvist

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Team: 2019-20 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 9, 2019
Published: Nov. 9, 2019
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Give me offers, my value of him seems to be lower than most, so I want to see what non pens fans think
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Nov. 9, 2019 at 11:18 p.m.
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We'd be better off keeping Hornqvist with his value
Nov. 9, 2019 at 11:22 p.m.
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well hes out long term so probably not much rn
Nov. 10, 2019 at 4:38 a.m.
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I’d personally move him now while you’re able to before that contract becomes an anchor. In the offseason if someone offers a 6th round pick for him I’d probably take it. Clear Hornqvist, Johnson, (and Gubranson is already traded) off the books and Pens could make a run at Hall
Nov. 10, 2019 at 8:37 a.m.
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I’d personally move him now while you’re able to before that contract becomes an anchor. In the offseason if someone offers a 6th round pick for him I’d probably take it. Clear Hornqvist, Johnson, (and Gubranson is already traded) off the books and Pens could make a run at Hall


This team will be moving a player to Seattle with a pick come the expansion draft.
It's not even a question. If you do the numbers game, they are going to want to keep their speedy players along with their core.

Which means Hornqvist and a pick is going to Seattle after next year if he's not a deadline move. That will only happen if the penguins are out the playoffs.
Nov. 10, 2019 at 8:53 a.m.
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Quoting: pharrow
This team will be moving a player to Seattle with a pick come the expansion draft.
It's not even a question. If you do the numbers game, they are going to want to keep their speedy players along with their core.

Which means Hornqvist and a pick is going to Seattle after next year if he's not a deadline move. That will only happen if the penguins are out the playoffs.


I could see hornqvist ending up in Seattle as long as he’s still producing at a 20 goal rate. If he takes a major decline I doubt they’ll want him. He’s had so many injury issues and has played such a physical game of hockey. He could decline fast. He’ll probably end his contract on LTIR tbh
Nov. 10, 2019 at 9:27 a.m.
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Quoting: mhockey91
I’d personally move him now while you’re able to before that contract becomes an anchor. In the offseason if someone offers a 6th round pick for him I’d probably take it. Clear Hornqvist, Johnson, (and Gubranson is already traded) off the books and Pens could make a run at Hall


Quoting: pharrow
This team will be moving a player to Seattle with a pick come the expansion draft.
It's not even a question. If you do the numbers game, they are going to want to keep their speedy players along with their core.

Which means Hornqvist and a pick is going to Seattle after next year if he's not a deadline move. That will only happen if the penguins are out the playoffs.


Why is everyone so concerned with moving players that are playing well now, because their contract MIGHT be bad in a few years? In a few years all that will matter for the pens is going to be rebuilding. Winning now is most important.
Nov. 10, 2019 at 9:52 a.m.
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well hes out long term so probably not much rn


I meant like if he was healthy/when he returns from injury
Nov. 10, 2019 at 9:54 a.m.
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Why is everyone so concerned with moving players that are playing well now, because their contract MIGHT be bad in a few years? In a few years all that will matter for the pens is going to be rebuilding. Winning now is most important.


His contract isn't really the best now, there's a LOT of better players that we could get in the 5-5.5 mil range
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Nov. 10, 2019 at 10:04 a.m.
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His contract isn't really the best now, there's a LOT of better players that we could get in the 5-5.5 mil range


What?! 14 GP. 5 G. 10 P. +5. Countless intangibles. Are you out of touch with reality? Name A LOT of better players in the 5 -5.5 range that could be realistically had.
Nov. 10, 2019 at 10:28 a.m.
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What?! 14 GP. 5 G. 10 P. +5. Countless intangibles. Are you out of touch with reality? Name A LOT of better players in the 5 -5.5 range that could be realistically had.


Zucker Nyquist Tatar Kase* basically anyone on the Panthers lol Hinnostroza, those are just off the top of my head
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Nov. 10, 2019 at 10:42 a.m.
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Quoting: DonkeyLips
Why is everyone so concerned with moving players that are playing well now, because their contract MIGHT be bad in a few years? In a few years all that will matter for the pens is going to be rebuilding. Winning now is most important.


It's not about the player it's about the system. They want to play a faster and faster game. It's to their advantage to play fast because they have the top level talent to do it.
The faster the rest of the team is, the longer you preserve Crosby and Malkin. Even if they lose a step, the thought process is the faster youth makes up for it.

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I could see hornqvist ending up in Seattle as long as he’s still producing at a 20 goal rate. If he takes a major decline I doubt they’ll want him. He’s had so many injury issues and has played such a physical game of hockey. He could decline fast. He’ll probably end his contract on LTIR tbh


That would be fine too for Seattle though. It helps them get to the cap floor.
Especially if that contract is insured.
But they are going to do this.
You look at their defense alone and you realize it. Dumo/Letang, Marino/MP...that's 4 right there if they do 7-3 they lose one. If they do 8, they will get killed in the forwards. There is no way they let the defense get picked apart after it took them this long to stabilize it. None. Not a chance in hell.

This is going to happen.
There is no question to me about it.
Nov. 10, 2019 at 11:04 a.m.
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Zucker Nyquist Tatar Kase* basically anyone on the Panthers lol Hinnostroza, those are just off the top of my head


They aren't any better. They are comparable. And what would the pens have to give up just to get a comparable player? Not worth it.
Nov. 10, 2019 at 11:10 a.m.
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It's not about the player it's about the system. They want to play a faster and faster game. It's to their advantage to play fast because they have the top level talent to do it.
The faster the rest of the team is, the longer you preserve Crosby and Malkin. Even if they lose a step, the thought process is the faster youth makes up for it.



That would be fine too for Seattle though. It helps them get to the cap floor.
Especially if that contract is insured.
But they are going to do this.
You look at their defense alone and you realize it. Dumo/Letang, Marino/MP...that's 4 right there if they do 7-3 they lose one. If they do 8, they will get killed in the forwards. There is no way they let the defense get picked apart after it took them this long to stabilize it. None. Not a chance in hell.

This is going to happen.
There is no question to me about it.


It's not just about speed. Teams need balance as well. Hornqvist provides that. He isn't slow by any means. But he brings an element to this team that no other player does. Do you remember how the pens looked before he was aquired? It was pathetic. I'm not opposed to moving bjugstad. But it would need to be a better deal than for fiala. I'm not willing to move a player that has been good for another that has looked bad more times than not.
Nov. 10, 2019 at 11:12 a.m.
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Quoting: DonkeyLips
It's not just about speed. Teams need balance as well. Hornqvist provides that. He isn't slow by any means. But he brings an element to this team that no other player does. Do you remember how the pens looked before he was aquired? It was pathetic. I'm not opposed to moving bjugstad. But it would need to be a better deal than for fiala. I'm not willing to move a player that has been good for another that has looked bad more times than not.


Hornqvist isn't slow... You're watching different games than the rest of us, i saw a Hornqvist that couldn't outskate DDK and Jonathan Ericsson vs DET lmao
Nov. 10, 2019 at 11:17 a.m.
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Hornqvist isn't slow... You're watching different games than the rest of us, i saw a Hornqvist that couldn't outskate DDK and Jonathan Ericsson vs DET lmao


You're right. I am watching different games than you. Please tell me when the pens played Detroit this year?
Nov. 10, 2019 at 12:46 p.m.
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You're right. I am watching different games than you. Please tell me when the pens played Detroit this year?


Preseason
Nov. 10, 2019 at 12:52 p.m.
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Preseason


Meaningless games are more important than meaningful games. Got it.
Nov. 10, 2019 at 12:53 p.m.
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Meaningless games are more important than meaningful games. Got it.


I was also going to say cam Fowler, bc I was at that game too, but you probably think Cam Fowler is good, plus it wasn't really a meaningless game, we had nearly our entire roster, and DET had everyone other than Larkin and Mantha in
Nov. 10, 2019 at 12:55 p.m.
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I was also going to say cam Fowler, bc I was at that game too, but you probably think Cam Fowler is good, plus it wasn't really a meaningless game, we had nearly our entire roster, and DET had everyone other than Larkin and Mantha in


If it wasn't meaningless, then where does it show up in the standings?
Nov. 10, 2019 at 12:55 p.m.
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I was also going to say cam Fowler, bc I was at that game too, but you probably think Cam Fowler is good, plus it wasn't really a meaningless game, we had nearly our entire roster, and DET had everyone other than Larkin and Mantha in


Yes hornqvist doesn't have top tier speed, but he does have average NHL speed. He is not slow.
Nov. 10, 2019 at 12:59 p.m.
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Yes hornqvist doesn't have top tier speed, but he does have average NHL speed. He is not slow.


I have yet to see Hornqvist actually outskate someone to a puck this year, (actually all I ever see Hornqvist do is crash the net...) Average suggests he's faster or as fast as 50% of the league meaning he'd win close to 50% of puck races
Nov. 10, 2019 at 1:38 p.m.
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I have yet to see Hornqvist actually outskate someone to a puck this year, (actually all I ever see Hornqvist do is crash the net...) Average suggests he's faster or as fast as 50% of the league meaning he'd win close to 50% of puck races


You are the only person I have ever encountered that claims hornqvist is slow. Or that his skating is an issue.
 
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