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Patrice Bergeron vs Evgeni Malkin

Created by: MikeyThePensFan
Initial Creation Date: Nov 10, 2019
Published: Nov 11 at 1:43 pm
Team: 2019-20 Boston Bruins
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I don't like this comparison because these are two completely types of players, however, there is no doubt that both are among the best centers of their generation.

Patrice Bergeron is arguably the best two-way center of this generation. He has won the Selke 4 times, 1 Clancy and 1 Stanley Cup. Malkin has won 2 Art Rosses, 1 Hart, 1 Lindsey, 1 Conn Smythe and the Calder. He has also achieved 3 cups playing with the great Crosby.

Bergeron 933 points in 1181 games (0.79 points per game). Malkin has 1176 points in 1020 games (1.15 points per game) in both regular season and playoffs

However, don't just look at the points and come to your decision. Bergeron is one of the best when it comes to generating possession. His play away from the puck, his penalty killing, spatial awareness and ability to make interceptions puts him the conversation among the most elite.

So now, imagine both players are in their primes. Who do you take?
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2021
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Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
BOS
Marchand, Brad
$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
$6,875,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
BOS
Pastrnak, David
$6,666,666
RW
UFA - 4
BOS
DeBrusk, Jake
$863,333
LW
RFA - 1
BOS
Krejci, David
$7,250,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Heinen, Danton
$2,800,000
C, LW, RW
RFA - 2
BOS
Bjork, Anders
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
BOS
Backes, David
$6,000,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Ritchie, Brett
$1,000,000
RW
RFA - 1
BOS
Kuraly, Sean
$1,275,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
BOS
Coyle, Charlie
$3,200,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
BOS
Wagner, Chris
$1,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Chara, Zdeno
$2,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
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McAvoy, Charlie
$4,900,000
RD
RFA - 3
BOS
Rask, Tuukka
$7,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Krug, Torey
$5,250,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
BOS
Carlo, Brandon
$2,850,000
RD
RFA - 2
BOS
Halák, Jaroslav
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
BOS
Grzelcyk, Matt
$1,400,000
LD
RFA - 1
BOS
Miller, Kevan
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BOS
Lindholm, Pär
$850,000
LW, C
UFA - 2
BOS
Moore, John
$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 4
BOS
Clifton, Connor
$725,000
RD
UFA - 1
BOS
Nordström, Joakim
$1,000,000
LW
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Pastrnak, D.
Bergeron, P.
DeBrusk, J.
Krug, T.
Marchand, B.
Power Play 2
Heinen, D.
Krejci, D.
Backes, D.
McAvoy, C.
Grzelcyk, M.
Penalty Kill 1
Backes, D.
Kuraly, S.
Chara, Z.
Carlo, B.
Penalty Kill 2
Bergeron, P.
Marchand, B.
Grzelcyk, M.
Miller, K.

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Nov 11 at 1:48
#1
BigOaf69
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coin flip for me
Bergeron is more consistent but Geno in his prime absolutely took over and dominated games and carried PIT in 07/08 when Crosby went down
Nov 11 at 1:55
#2
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Bergeron, but I'm a Bruins fan so I have some bias lol. Bergy's value to the Bruins goes well past what fans see on the ice. Nothing against Geno, the guy is an amazing player that unfairly plays in Crosby shadow.
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Nov 11 at 1:55
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mhockey91
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Edited Nov 11 at 2:05
Malkin by far. 2nd best points per game of this generation. 2X Art Ross, Hart, Conn smyth, 3 cups, Calder, etc...
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Nov 11 at 1:59
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What's the AGM part of this AGM?

Malkin has tons of skill, but frankly, the puck is smarter.
Nov 11 at 2:01
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exo2769
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To me it's Bergeron. It's a very hard debate though. These are the 2 MOST different centers you can find in the game. This really is a debate vs offensive centers vs defensive centers. Bergeron was the #1 essentially every year with the B's. Shutdown guy. Always had him at the dot at the end of the game.
Nov 11 at 2:09
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#DisruptTheNight
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I feel like I just saw this
Nov 11 at 2:40
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Bcarlo25
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The thing about the career point totals is that Bergeron spent so much of his prime years recovering from the concussions. Pretty easy to forget, but going into the 2011 season, Bergeron was the third line center behind Savard and Krejci. I would argue that the last two seasons were Bergeron best when he was healthy. I think the decline has already begun unfortunately.

Malkin at his best was better than Bergeron at his best, for sure.
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Nov 11 at 3:17
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: BigOaf69
coin flip for me
Bergeron is more consistent but Geno in his prime absolutely took over and dominated games and carried PIT in 07/08 when Crosby went down


Don't forget 2011/12, he was beast that season as well until the playoffs came and he stopped skating. At least he still had 2 MVP worthy playoffs.

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Nov 11 at 3:20
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Quoting: ON3M4N
Bergeron, but I'm a Bruins fan so I have some bias lol. Bergy's value to the Bruins goes well past what fans see on the ice. Nothing against Geno, the guy is an amazing player that unfairly plays in Crosby shadow.


Yeah both Bergeron and Malkin are underrated in their own way, but definitely top centers in the game.

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Nov 11 at 3:22
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
The thing about the career point totals is that Bergeron spent so much of his prime years recovering from the concussions. Pretty easy to forget, but going into the 2011 season, Bergeron was the third line center behind Savard and Krejci. I would argue that the last two seasons were Bergeron best when he was healthy. I think the decline has already begun unfortunately.

Malkin at his best was better than Bergeron at his best, for sure.


That was a long time ago, but I definitely remember it. All started with that nasty hit from Jones and those issues were just reoccurring to him. I don't think Bergeron established himself as the player he is until the 2010-11 season when he was their top center. To be honest, he's never looked back. Do you think he's HOF worthy?

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Nov 11 at 3:25
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Quoting: exo2769
To me it's Bergeron. It's a very hard debate though. These are the 2 MOST different centers you can find in the game. This really is a debate vs offensive centers vs defensive centers. Bergeron was the #1 essentially every year with the B's. Shutdown guy. Always had him at the dot at the end of the game.


Yes it's a tough comparison. Two different types of players dominant in their own way. Bergeron takes on top matchups every night and shuts them down while being able to produce a ridiculous amount of points. A real comparison would be him and Datsyuk.

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Nov 11 at 3:26
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Quoting: mhockey91
Malkin by far. 2nd best points per game of this generation. 2X Art Ross, Hart, Conn smyth, 3 cups, Calder, etc...


Quoting: Yojimbo
What's the AGM part of this AGM?

Malkin has tons of skill, but frankly, the puck is smarter.


Well, not by far. It's actually really close but it's not unreasonable to think that Malkin edges it. He was a legit superstar in his prime, one of the top 3 or 4 forwards in the game. In my opinion, he was very close to generational.

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Nov 11 at 3:33
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
The thing about the career point totals is that Bergeron spent so much of his prime years recovering from the concussions. Pretty easy to forget, but going into the 2011 season, Bergeron was the third line center behind Savard and Krejci. I would argue that the last two seasons were Bergeron best when he was healthy. I think the decline has already begun unfortunately.

Malkin at his best was better than Bergeron at his best, for sure.


That’s a very good take
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Nov 11 at 3:37
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
That was a long time ago, but I definitely remember it. All started with that nasty hit from Jones and those issues were just reoccurring to him. I don't think Bergeron established himself as the player he is until the 2010-11 season when he was their top center. To be honest, he's never looked back. Do you think he's HOF worthy?

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Bergeron was not the top center on that team
Nov 11 at 3:38
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Yeah both Bergeron and Malkin are underrated in their own way, but definitely top centers in the game.

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You may want to careful asking be to people to check you on YouTube. Could be considered advertising, which is against site rules.
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Nov 11 at 4:36
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Quoting: ON3M4N
You may want to careful asking be to people to check you on YouTube. Could be considered advertising, which is against site rules.


Thanks for letting me know.
Nov 11 at 4:37
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Bergeron was not the top center on that team


I think the top line was Lucic-Krejci-Horton. Then Bergeron was with Marchand and Seguin.
Nov 11 at 4:55
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
I think the top line was Lucic-Krejci-Horton. Then Bergeron was with Marchand and Seguin.


Marchand and recchi
Nov 11 at 5:13
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Mikey F.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Marchand and recchi


Yes I forgot about Recchi. What a player he was, won 4 cups I think and was one of the top 6 guys on that 1991 & 1992 Pens team. Wasn’t Marchand a rookie during that first cup?
Nov 12 at 7:13
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what most people dont realize is berg had back to back 70 pt seasons before the bruins brought in claude. He went ultra defense and Bergeron boufht in and did everything his coach asked for and more. If he played his whole career in a more offensive system like he plays in now who knows how many more points hed have. then again he might not have the defensive skills he does.
Nov 12 at 2:11
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Im biased as well but ive watched bergeron shut malkin down time and time again. Its a pretty easy bergeron for me. Bergeron also had some pretty nasty injuries (has a current ongoing groin injury that will never go away as long as he keeps playing, and some brutal concussions). Take those out and you could be looking at bergeron being talked about like crosby gets praise.
Nov 13 at 2:28
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Quoting: hanson493
Im biased as well but ive watched bergeron shut malkin down time and time again. Its a pretty easy bergeron for me. Bergeron also had some pretty nasty injuries (has a current ongoing groin injury that will never go away as long as he keeps playing, and some brutal concussions). Take those out and you could be looking at bergeron being talked about like crosby gets praise.


Well, it seems to me that you really don't like Malkin. You never pick him for any of the player comparisons. Do you think Malkin was a superstar in his prime?
Nov 13 at 2:29
#23
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Quoting: MikeyThePensFan
Well, it seems to me that you really don't like Malkin. You never pick him for any of the player comparisons. Do you think Malkin was a superstar in his prime?


oh i like malkin, ide gladly take malkin on the bruins right now. but i discount malkin a little because hes behind crosby.
Nov 13 at 2:29
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Quoting: Jfstompers
what most people dont realize is berg had back to back 70 pt seasons before the bruins brought in claude. He went ultra defense and Bergeron boufht in and did everything his coach asked for and more. If he played his whole career in a more offensive system like he plays in now who knows how many more points hed have. then again he might not have the defensive skills he does.


Yeah I think Bergeron's offensive game is really underrated. He's not very flashy so a lot of people don't hype him up as much.
Nov 13 at 2:30
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Quoting: hanson493
oh i like malkin, ide gladly take malkin on the bruins right now. but i discount malkin a little because hes behind crosby.


Well, the Penguins have been lucky to have 2 elite centers for this decade.
 
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