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Scheifele

Created by: Skyraider112
Initial Creation Date: Nov 11, 2019
Published: Nov 11 at 4:41 pm
Team: 2019-20 Buffalo Sabres
Trades
BUF
  1. Scheifele, Mark
  2. Griffith, Seth
  3. Letestu, Mark
Additional Details:
Griffith and Letestu are just to help balance the contracts
WPG
  1. Miller, Colin
  2. Thompson, Tage
  3. Mittelstadt, Casey
  4. Vesey, Jimmy
  5. Bogosian, Zach ($2,500,000 retained)
  6. 2020 1st round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
unprotected 1st
BUF
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
  2. 2020 6th round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
6th only sent if Puljujarvi plays less than 30 games
EDM
  1. Smith, C.J.
  2. 2020 4th round pick (BUF)
Buyouts
  • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
  • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
  • Ville Leino: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Zach Bogosian: $2,500,000 (48.61%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
BUF
BUF
EDM
BUF
DAL
2021
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2022
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$78,446,667$0$3,407,500$3,053,333
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
$767,500
LW, RW
RFA - 1
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 7
BUF
Reinhart, Sam
$3,650,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 8
WPG
Scheifele, Mark
$6,125,000
C
UFA - 5
Puljujärvi, Jesse
$1,200,000
RW
RFA
BUF
Sheary, Conor
$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
BUF
Johansson, Marcus
$4,500,000
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
BUF
Rodrigues, Evan
$2,000,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
BUF
Girgensons, Zemgus
$1,600,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
BUF
Larsson, Johan
$1,550,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
$6,000,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BUF
Scandella, Marco
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
BUF
Hutton, Carter
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 2
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
BUF
Montour, Brandon
$3,387,500
RD
RFA - 1
BUF
Ullmark, Linus
$1,325,000
G
RFA - 1
BUF
McCabe, Jake
$2,850,000
LD
UFA - 2
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BUF
Sobotka, Vladimír
$3,500,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
BUF
Hunwick, Matt
$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Gilmour, John
$700,000
D
UFA - 1

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Nov 11 at 4:43
#1
Waive4WPG
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,070
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Yeesh you’re far off on this.

You’re going to have to pay Quality not Quantity.
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Nov 11 at 4:44
#2
exo2769
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 5,010
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It's not even close to enough. These deals won't happen. Think (2) 1sts, Casey, Cozens, Joki and some cap hits. You don't trade #1Cs on GREAT contracts without getting a crazy stupid haul in return.
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Nov 11 at 4:46
#3
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 1,725
Likes: 288
There is no deal between Winnipeg and Buffalo for Scheifele that doesn't include Eichel or Dahlin. No other combination of pieces, regardless of how many you put together, would get the Sabres anywhere near him.

AHLer C.J. Smith plus a swap of late round picks doesn't get you Puljujarvi either.
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Nov 11 at 4:50
#4
Joined: Jul 2018
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Nov 11 at 4:53
#5
Wqrrior
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 2,148
Likes: 345
Moving one of the league's 5 best value contracts would require a pretty darn good prospect. Buffalo doesn't have the assets needed to start a trade like this. (Reinhart would be the starting point)
Nov 11 at 6:05
#6
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 4,901
Likes: 1,210
itll have to be eichel for schiefle, but even than i dont do it, cause schefile has a much better contract,
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Nov 11 at 6:30
#7
BtZ's buttercup
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 2,605
Likes: 1,407
The last post post makes a point but I'd say you have to overpay to get him and that's only IF the Jets wanna move him.
Nov 11 at 6:50
#8
MisstheWhalers
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 5,400
Likes: 1,659
Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
itll have to be eichel for schiefle, but even than i dont do it, cause schefile has a much better contract,


Eichel is better than Scheiffele.
Nov 11 at 10:40
#9
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 4,901
Likes: 1,210
Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Eichel is better than Scheiffele.


in the offensive game, yes, but as a stable leader, and defensive player, no. MS is better. MS contract is also better. thats why its a 1 for 1.
Nov 12 at 1:52
#10
Thread Starter
Sabres are elite
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 2,589
Likes: 570
Quoting: tsyls
Yeesh you’re far off on this.

You’re going to have to pay Quality not Quantity.


There are plenty of quality pieces there. Miller is a top 4 D on Winnipeg with a great contract. Mitts is a potential elite 2nd C. Thompson is a top 6 RW. Vesey can slot in bottom 6 and would fit right in with the big boys Winnipeg has there like Lowry, Copp etc. Bogo is what he is, probably a depth D but a guy who can resign cheap and provide leadership. Also a unprotected 1st in a loaded draft. There are quality pieces and there is a quantity of them. Scheifele as a player is not worth more than that imo, but I do think Buffalo would have to really overpay if Winnipeg would ever part with him (which I know they wont).

Quoting: exo2769
It's not even close to enough. These deals won't happen. Think (2) 1sts, Casey, Cozens, Joki and some cap hits. You don't trade #1Cs on GREAT contracts without getting a crazy stupid haul in return.


See above.

Quoting: Bflo_Soldier
There is no deal between Winnipeg and Buffalo for Scheifele that doesn't include Eichel or Dahlin. No other combination of pieces, regardless of how many you put together, would get the Sabres anywhere near him.

AHLer C.J. Smith plus a swap of late round picks doesn't get you Puljujarvi either.


CJ Smith can actually do something on the ice unlike Puljujarvi. I don't really care what his ceiling is, he hasn't proven anything at any level of hockey. CJ Smith has proven he can produce in the NCAA and the AHL and there is no reason to say he couldn't help out the Oilers with some scoring.

Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
in the offensive game, yes, but as a stable leader, and defensive player, no. MS is better. MS contract is also better. thats why its a 1 for 1.


And I lastly say to you sir that we live in different worlds. MS is a fantastic player and I love every part of his game and personality but Jack Eichel is a franchise player pure and simple.
Nov 12 at 6:20
#11
kAApo kaKKo
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 2,870
Likes: 218
Quoting: Skyraider112
Miller is a top 4 D on Winnipeg with a great contract. Thompson is a top 6 RW.
CJ Smith can actually do something on the ice unlike Puljujarvi. I don't really care what his ceiling is, he hasn't proven anything at any level of hockey. CJ Smith has proven he can produce in the NCAA and the AHL and there is no reason to say he couldn't help out the Oilers with some scoring.


More butter please. Miller is an overpaid 6d, Thompson is a spare and CJ is an AHLer
Nov 12 at 9:37
#12
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 1,725
Likes: 288
Quoting: Skyraider112
CJ Smith can actually do something on the ice unlike Puljujarvi. I don't really care what his ceiling is, he hasn't proven anything at any level of hockey. CJ Smith has proven he can produce in the NCAA and the AHL and there is no reason to say he couldn't help out the Oilers with some scoring.



Then why isn't CJ playing with the Sabres right now? It's not as if they're scoring at will in 5-on-5.
Puljujarvi's ceiling potential is elite forward in the NHL. CJ Smith's ceiling potential is Bottom 6 forward in the NHL, and he's got a ways to get there.
 
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