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Everyone STFU About Taylor Hall

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Initial Creation Date: Nov. 12, 2019
Published: Nov. 12, 2019
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I'm real tired of seeing rumours and AGM's about selling our young and promising talent for Hall. He's not needed, he will hurt the Avs short and long term (which is as likely as he will get hurt himself.)
Also, "you people" need to realize that calling up Bowers, Kaut, Timmins etc is not ideal for their development. Sakic signed and traded for guys like Megna, Tynan, Connauton for this exact reason.
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Nov. 12, 2019 at 1:16 p.m.
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MacKinnon for Hall 1 4 1
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Nov. 12, 2019 at 1:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Tchuckycheese
MacKinnon for Hall 1 4 1


Avs add
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Nov. 12, 2019 at 1:19 p.m.
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Preaaaaaach.
5 stars.
Nov. 12, 2019 at 1:19 p.m.
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God forbid people use this site for its purpose
Nov. 12, 2019 at 1:19 p.m.
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There's a reason that this forum is called "Armchair GM". Don't expect many "Yzerman type" of trades proposed by any of the 31 fanbases.
Nov. 12, 2019 at 1:22 p.m.
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It's funny you say this. I don't like Taylor Hall at all, I don't want him on my team (Isles), but if any team could trade for him I think it's the Avs. He's not going for your three best prospects and two 1st round picks, but I don't think it'd be a bad move for the Avs to trade for him. I don't know Avs prospects, but maybe if you offer someone like Shane Bowers and a 1st round pick for Hall, you go for a run. At that price, you don't need to re-sign him.

I was in Denver for the 9-4 bashing against Nashville. You guys are legit, even without Landeskog and Rantanen. Hall would put you guys over the top.
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Nov. 12, 2019 at 1:23 p.m.
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God forbid people use this site for its purpose


Absolutely barbaric!
Nov. 12, 2019 at 1:24 p.m.
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Quoting: Tchuckycheese
MacKinnon for Hall 1 4 1


Try any Avs trade involving Price or Drouin and you'll trigger some Avs fans. It's like the Nordiques-Canadiens fanbase rivalry was still a thing even after the relocation.
Nov. 12, 2019 at 1:24 p.m.
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It's funny you say this. I don't like Taylor Hall at all, I don't want him on my team (Isles), but if any team could trade for him I think it's the Avs. He's not going for your three best prospects and two 1st round picks, but I don't think it'd be a bad move for the Avs to trade for him. I don't know Avs prospects, but maybe if you offer someone like Shane Bowers and a 1st round pick for Hall, you go for a run. At that price, you don't need to re-sign him.

I was in Denver for the 9-4 bashing against Nashville. You guys are legit, even without Landeskog and Rantanen. Hall would put you guys over the top.


exactly lmao. imagine how good avs would be with hall.

landy-mac-rantenen
hall-kadri-Donskoi

oh lord thats a nice top 6
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Nov. 12, 2019 at 1:45 p.m.
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exactly lmao. imagine how good avs would be with hall.

landy-mac-rantenen
hall-kadri-Donskoi

oh lord thats a nice top 6


Hall is a nice to have but hes not a necessary piece the Avs desperately need, especially at his price tag to extend (10-11m) and if you trade for him all the young assets you have to give up. Even without Landeskog and Rantanen, Avs have the 4th best team offense in the league with 2 games in hand over the top in Nashville.

What more does Hall add? A couple more goals to be 11m 2nd line Winger? (he cant take Landys spot bc a defesensive minded winger who take draws has to be paired with Mack, thats what makes that line balanced)

Or could the Avs accomplish the same thing in their top 6 at half the cost in a guy like Kreider who brings other elements to his game than hall who really is just an offensive weapon. Mark Stone I would have backed up the brinks truck and unloaded for bc of his elite 2 way game and being a ppg player. Hall, doesnt do it as much bc when you already are one of the top scoring teams in the league already, without 2/3 of your top line, what more does Hall add after Mikko and Landy come back?
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Nov. 12, 2019 at 1:56 p.m.
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Hall is a nice to have but hes not a necessary piece the Avs desperately need, especially at his price tag to extend (10-11m) and if you trade for him all the young assets you have to give up. Even without Landeskog and Rantanen, Avs have the 4th best team offense in the league with 2 games in hand over the top in Nashville.

What more does Hall add? A couple more goals to be 11m 2nd line Winger? (he cant take Landys spot bc a defesensive minded winger who take draws has to be paired with Mack, thats what makes that line balanced)

Or could the Avs accomplish the same thing in their top 6 at half the cost in a guy like Kreider who brings other elements to his game than hall who really is just an offensive weapon. Mark Stone I would have backed up the brinks truck and unloaded for bc of his elite 2 way game and being a ppg player. Hall, doesnt do it as much bc when you already are one of the top scoring teams in the league already, without 2/3 of your top line, what more does Hall add after Mikko and Landy come back?


But the point is to just trade for him as a rental, don't worry about re-signing him. Giving up a 1st round pick and a prospect makes so much sense to go for it this season. I'm not saying he's your missing piece, but it wouldn't be risky to trade some pieces for a guy that can help you this season. I actually do think Kreider would be a great fit as well, and you'll have a better chance of re-signing him than Hall. But don't get caught up in re-signing him.
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Nov. 12, 2019 at 2:01 p.m.
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But the point is to just trade for him as a rental, don't worry about re-signing him. Giving up a 1st round pick and a prospect makes so much sense to go for it this season. I'm not saying he's your missing piece, but it wouldn't be risky to trade some pieces for a guy that can help you this season. I actually do think Kreider would be a great fit as well, and you'll have a better chance of re-signing him than Hall. But don't get caught up in re-signing him.


That makes it even worse, give up top assets for 3 months when he really doesn’t add much in terms of strengthen and avs weakness.

Avs don’t need a hall to put them over the top, they already have 2 elite forwards and a budding superstar in makar.

Hall just isn’t worth it when what you will get out of him can be accomplished with a Kreider level forward

Sakic doesn’t trade away top assets for rentals, so if they load up it’s for a piece they are keeping. Like I said hall is a nice to have but I think he’s a bad fit on the avs with what role he will be put in on the second line. Adding hall doesn’t seem like sakics kind of move
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Nov. 12, 2019 at 2:07 p.m.
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If people only posted the correct and most realistic trades there would be like 2 posts only per day. Both of them being line combination altering AGM's only......

The most you can possibly hope for is that they at least get the valuation correct. Anything else like taking other teams needs or cap situation in consideration just gravy at that point.
Nov. 12, 2019 at 2:27 p.m.
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If people only posted the correct and most realistic trades there would be like 2 posts only per day. Both of them being line combination altering AGM's only......

The most you can possibly hope for is that they at least get the valuation correct. Anything else like taking other teams needs or cap situation in consideration just gravy at that point.


It’s fun to see them and hall on the avs would be an embarrassment of riches but avs fans already know this is against everything Sakic is about

One of sakic and his groups biggest faults is being too loyal to players. He brought in donskoi and bura to give them opportunities to be top 6 forwards and an expanded role, and they are doing well in it.

Adding in a guy like hall means Sakic goes back on his word and he just hasn’t to this point ever done anything like that

No need for the stop making hall to avs rosters but the fan base knows it won’t happen unless something drastically different changes with this team and foward in the next couple months
Nov. 12, 2019 at 2:49 p.m.
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Quoting: coga16
It’s fun to see them and hall on the avs would be an embarrassment of riches but avs fans already know this is against everything Sakic is about

One of sakic and his groups biggest faults is being too loyal to players. He brought in donskoi and bura to give them opportunities to be top 6 forwards and an expanded role, and they are doing well in it.

Adding in a guy like hall means Sakic goes back on his word and he just hasn’t to this point ever done anything like that

No need for the stop making hall to avs rosters but the fan base knows it won’t happen unless something drastically different changes with this team and foward in the next couple months


Oh I know but I don't get why people get so bent out of shape about trades like this. Fans are allowed to make trades that the current GM wouldn't do. That's why this is ARMCHAIR GM.

"What would you do if you were the GM". I could understand a NJ fans saying it wouldn't fly with management for X reasons but the team making the trade? That's the whole point of this.

If this was "Lets try to do exactly what Sakic would do", there would be no trades.
Nov. 12, 2019 at 4:34 p.m.
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Oh I know but I don't get why people get so bent out of shape about trades like this. Fans are allowed to make trades that the current GM wouldn't do. That's why this is ARMCHAIR GM.

"What would you do if you were the GM". I could understand a NJ fans saying it wouldn't fly with management for X reasons but the team making the trade? That's the whole point of this.

If this was "Lets try to do exactly what Sakic would do", there would be no trades.


totally understand and get it. we dont want to see the same nibbling around the edges realistic roster that 95% of the teams will do who are trying to win a cup. Sakic will do a trade but it will be a 3rd rounder for some bottom 6 foward bc he doesnt have the balls to do the big home run swing hahah. Only reason he traded duchene is bc he asked for one, if he didnt ask for one im sure he would have just been on the avs till UFA and walked for free

but watch sakic actually spend at the TDL on Pageau, melting my mind
 
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