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Toffoli to SJ in Realistic Trade as Kings Rebuild and Sharks Push for a Cup Run

Created by: CheechYou
Team: 2019-20 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 26, 2019
Published: Nov. 14, 2019
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Gotta overpay since this is CapFriendly and I prefer not getting lambasted in the comments, but this is the general idea.
Trades
SJS
  1. Toffoli, Tyler ($2,300,000 retained)
  2. 2020 4th round pick (CGY)
LAK
  1. Bergmann, Lean
  2. Chmelevski, Alexander
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (SJS)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$72,420,750$660,750$277,500$9,079,250
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 8
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
C
UFA - 3
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$768,333$768,333 (Performance Bonus$65,000$65K)
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
C
UFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LD/RD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 8
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$675,000$675,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$5,280,000$5,280,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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$1,900,000$1,900,000
G
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LD
UFA - 3
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$1,635,000$1,635,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$960,000$960,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
LW
UFA - 1

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Nov. 14, 2019 at 3:23 p.m.
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There is no realistic trade that would ever happen between LA and SJ.
Nov. 14, 2019 at 3:26 p.m.
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Sharks are currently 9 spots out of the last playoff position, The odds of them making another cup run this year is slim to none.
Nov. 14, 2019 at 3:31 p.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Sharks are currently 9 spots out of the last playoff position, The odds of them making another cup run this year is slim to none.


Then you dont know the league at all
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Nov. 14, 2019 at 3:37 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
There is no realistic trade that would ever happen between LA and SJ.


It's almost 2020 man, not 2013. No trades between SJS and VGK, sure, but with Rob Blake friends with DW, Jumbo, and Patty, as well as a diminished rivalry, in addition to circumstances of LAK going for a rebiuld and SJS wanting to win it all for the two 40yr olds and best Sharks in franchise history, it's a realistic trade. Also, the trade swap of Neal and Lucic between Edmonton and Calgary this year proves that business > rivalry.
Nov. 14, 2019 at 3:39 p.m.
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Then you dont know the league at all


I know they're not good enough, Too make a cup run. Still far better teams ahead of them.
Nov. 14, 2019 at 3:43 p.m.
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Quoting: CheechYou
It's almost 2020 man, not 2013. No trades between SJS and VGK, sure, but with Rob Blake friends with DW, Jumbo, and Patty, as well as a diminished rivalry, in addition to circumstances of LAK going for a rebiuld and SJS wanting to win it all for the two 40yr olds and best Sharks in franchise history, it's a realistic trade. Also, the trade swap of Neal and Lucic between Edmonton and Calgary this year proves that business > rivalry.


There's already rumblings in the Kings fan base that Blake is too close to the San Jose organization. If a trade were to happen between the two that helped San Jose compete for a Cup, the fans would turn on Blake in an instant. Even Lombardi, who had similar ties to SJ, wouldn't trade Jones directly to the Sharks. Lombardi even said that he wouldn't have done the trade if he knew Jones was gonna get flipped back to the Pacific.

If the market for Toffoli implodes and there are zero other offers for him, or if the Sharks are willing to significantly overpay for Toffoli's services (i.e. a 1st round pick), then maybe a trade happens. Otherwise a trade between the two teams will not happen.
Nov. 14, 2019 at 3:49 p.m.
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Then you dont know the league at all


Dude, the sharks are horrible.
Nov. 14, 2019 at 3:58 p.m.
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Dude, the sharks are horrible.


4 game win-streak indicates upward trend as their key players are starting to find their game. Blues were last in the league in January last year and look what happened.
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Nov. 14, 2019 at 3:59 p.m.
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Quoting: CheechYou
4 game win-streak indicates upward trend as their key players are starting to find their game. Blues were last in the league in January last year and look what happened.


Ya, they were good. San Jose stinks.
Nov. 14, 2019 at 3:59 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
There's already rumblings in the Kings fan base that Blake is too close to the San Jose organization. If a trade were to happen between the two that helped San Jose compete for a Cup, the fans would turn on Blake in an instant. Even Lombardi, who had similar ties to SJ, wouldn't trade Jones directly to the Sharks. Lombardi even said that he wouldn't have done the trade if he knew Jones was gonna get flipped back to the Pacific.

If the market for Toffoli implodes and there are zero other offers for him, or if the Sharks are willing to significantly overpay for Toffoli's services (i.e. a 1st round pick), then maybe a trade happens. Otherwise a trade between the two teams will not happen.


That's something to consider, sure, but I tend to think the fan base would be okay with these two prospects I put going back to LA considering they're pretty decent if they understand it's a rebuild and Toffoli's either not coming back or not part of the youth plan or a bit of both.

And Lombardi's situation was different since LA was like SJ competing for a cup then. Now, LA's not, but SJ is (whether they like it or not, they're built to win it all now).
Nov. 14, 2019 at 4:04 p.m.
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Is this not a real bad trade for the sharks? I’d rather those two guys and the pick any day of the week

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That's something to consider, sure, but I tend to think the fan base would be okay with these two prospects I put going back to LA considering they're pretty decent if they understand it's a rebuild and Toffoli's either not coming back or not part of the youth plan or a bit of both.

And Lombardi's situation was different since LA was like SJ competing for a cup then. Now, LA's not, but SJ is (whether they like it or not, they're built to win it all now).
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Nov. 14, 2019 at 4:31 p.m.
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Quoting: CheechYou
4 game win-streak indicates upward trend as their key players are starting to find their game. Blues were last in the league in January last year and look what happened.


Last season Buffalo had a 10 game winning streak and we know what happened afterwards...
Although I'm not saying 19-20 Sharks are 18-19 Sabres 2.0 but they need to improve their goaltending. Jones having couple good game w/ a SV% is not enough to consider the Sharks as a top complete contending team.
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Nov. 14, 2019 at 4:53 p.m.
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Kings would trade Toffoli to Sharks (Blake has ties to the organization), I really like Chmelevski. However the Kings might ask for a conditional pick if he re-signs to insulate us from him being in our division.
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Nov. 14, 2019 at 5:07 p.m.
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Probably the right value. Toffoli can't be any worse in net than Jones...
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Nov. 14, 2019 at 5:17 p.m.
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I like the idea. But if the sharks really want it they need a driver not a supplementary peice. The might need play the long game here.
Nov. 14, 2019 at 6:17 p.m.
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Sharks are currently 9 spots out of the last playoff position, The odds of them making another cup run this year is slim to none.


They’re six points out of 3rd in the pacific and playing great hockey right now with the longest current win streak in the nhl. Slim to none? What a stupid thing to say, the coyotes are being held together by unsustainable numbers by Kuemper and the Sharks just dominated the 2nd best team in the west by a score of 6-3. It’s taken awhile but the Sharks D has caught on and Vlasic, Burns, Simek and Karlsson are playing great hockey now.
Nov. 14, 2019 at 6:35 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
There is no realistic trade that would ever happen between LA and SJ.


For once we disagree. As noted by someone else, LA and SJ aren't really in competition for anything this season and with Toffoli a UFA next year, this trade might not have ramifications after June. Plus I have a sneaking suspicion that SJ's 2020 second-rounder might be almost as good as ours.
Nov. 14, 2019 at 7:09 p.m.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
For once we disagree. As noted by someone else, LA and SJ aren't really in competition for anything this season and with Toffoli a UFA next year, this trade might not have ramifications after June. Plus I have a sneaking suspicion that SJ's 2020 second-rounder might be almost as good as ours.


When was the last time the Kings made a significant trade with a division rival (i.e. not just a fringe NHLer, backup goaltender, or future considerations)?
Nov. 14, 2019 at 7:19 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
When was the last time the Kings made a significant trade with a division rival (i.e. not just a fringe NHLer, backup goaltender, or future considerations)?


I'm not arguing that it should happen as a matter of course. I think that this proposed trade is sufficiently out of the ordinary that it might be the exception to the rule.

There are several Kings on the roster I think Blake would and should trade within the division for a first-round pick.

Didn't we trade Linden Vey to Vancouver for Roland McKeown? Fat lot of good that did us.
Nov. 14, 2019 at 8:12 p.m.
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I'm not arguing that it should happen as a matter of course. I think that this proposed trade is sufficiently out of the ordinary that it might be the exception to the rule.

There are several Kings on the roster I think Blake would and should trade within the division for a first-round pick.

Didn't we trade Linden Vey to Vancouver for Roland McKeown? Fat lot of good that did us.


Technically the Kings traded Linden Vey for a draft pick which would eventually turn into McKeown. Vey struggled to make the lineup and eventually ended up in the KHL, so I would call that an insignificant trade. Additionally, the trade occurred in 2014, the first year of NHL realignment, and the first season that the Kings and Canucks were in the same division. Previously Vancouver was in the Northwest division.

I wouldn't completely disqualify a trade from happening between division rivals, but the return value would need to be significantly higher coming from a divisional rival than from a team from another division. If San Jose wants to give a 1st round pick for Toffoli and the best deals coming from elsewhere only include a 2nd, then yes I think the Kings would make the trade within the division. However, it's in San Jose's best interest to not accelerate the Kings' rebuild, so they wouldn't be inclined to do that.

For the return proposed in this ACGM, I wouldn't trade Toffoli within the division.
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