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Trades with ANA BUF

Created by: GMs
Initial Creation Date: Nov 14, 2019
Published: Nov 14 at 7:20 pm
Team: 2019-20 Montreal Canadiens
Trades
MTL
  1. Kase, Ondrej
ANA
  1. Tatar, Tomas
MTL
  1. Sobotka, Vladimír
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Byron, Paul
  2. 2020 4th round pick (SJS)
Buyouts
  • Steve Mason: $1,366,667
Buried
  • Karl Alzner: $3,550,000 ($4,625,000)
  • Dale Weise: $1,275,000 ($2,350,000)
  • Matthew Peca: $225,000 ($1,300,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
ANA
WPG
MTL
FLA
MTL
CHI
2021
MTL
MTL
MTL
CHI
MTL
MTL
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
BUF
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$72,965,475$0$3,057,500$8,534,525
Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 4
MTL
Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Domi, Max
$3,150,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
$863,333
C, RW
RFA - 3
ANA
Kase, Ondrej
$2,600,000
RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
$2,400,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
MTL
Armia, Joel
$2,600,000
RW
UFA - 2
MTL
Cousins, Nick
$1,000,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
MTL
Thompson, Nate
$1,000,000
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Weal, Jordan
$1,400,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 7
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 7
MTL
Mete, Victor
$748,333
LD
RFA - 1
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Kinkaid, Keith
$1,750,000
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
$1,850,000
LD
UFA - 3
MTL
Fleury, Cale
$771,666
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BUF
Sobotka, Vladimír
$3,500,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
MTL
Teasdale, Joël
$763,333
C
RFA - 3
MTL
Reilly, Mike
$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 2
MTL
Folin, Christian
$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Nov 14 at 7:21
#1
Shibbal18
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Sabres would say yes, the sooner the better
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Nov 14 at 7:22
#2
First NY Then LA
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If we're trading Ondrej Kase, it's only for Jeff Petry. Forwards we got.
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Nov 14 at 7:33
#3
GenericUsername489
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
If we're trading Ondrej Kase, it's only for Jeff Petry. Forwards we got.


Just not many good forwards though.
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Nov 14 at 7:35
#4
GaudsWish
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
If we're trading Ondrej Kase, it's only for Jeff Petry. Forwards we got.


Tatar is better, no?
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Nov 14 at 7:40
#5
First NY Then LA
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Quoting: GenericUsername489
Just not many good forwards though.


I can live with Rakell, Henrique, Silfverberg, Kase, Steel, Comtois and an aging but still effective Getzlaf, plus Lundestrom, Groulx, Zegras and Tracey in the pipeline, and you pansies would love to have Ritchie or Jones in your lineup.
Nov 14 at 7:41
#6
First NY Then LA
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Quoting: gaudetster
Tatar is better, no?


Maybe, maybe not, but I'd stay away from a guy going to his fourth team.
Nov 14 at 8:20
#7
Team caaaannnaaada
Joined: Jun 2019
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Quoting: gaudetster
Tatar is better, no?


Quoting: OldNYIfan
Maybe, maybe not, but I'd stay away from a guy going to his fourth team.


But he would have been your best forward last season and he would be tie for the leads this year. I mean tatar is a underrated player. How many player on the duck have 5 consecutive 20 goal season. How many is there in the league. I mean he is a reliable forward and have proven that he can produce on a daily bases in nhl. Right now at this moment he is a better player then kase. That the reality. He have more goal, more assists he get point on the powerplay and he’s been reliable defensively he is very active in puck retrieve. Does kase be better next few season there possibilities for sure but right now tatar have a bigger impact.
As for the duck they will likely miss the olayoff this year so trading kase for tatar is pointless.
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Nov 14 at 9:24
#8
GenericUsername489
Joined: Jun 2019
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I can live with Rakell, Henrique, Silfverberg, Kase, Steel, Comtois and an aging but still effective Getzlaf, plus Lundestrom, Groulx, Zegras and Tracey in the pipeline, and you pansies would love to have Ritchie or Jones in your lineup.


Silfverberg, Henrique, Getzlaf, and Rakell have been good. Kase and Ritchie have been okay.
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Nov 14 at 10:01
#9
Jah1722
Joined: Jan 2018
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Quoting: Sebybbq
But he would have been your best forward last season and he would be tie for the leads this year. I mean tatar is a underrated player. How many player on the duck have 5 consecutive 20 goal season. How many is there in the league. I mean he is a reliable forward and have proven that he can produce on a daily bases in nhl. Right now at this moment he is a better player then kase. That the reality. He have more goal, more assists he get point on the powerplay and he’s been reliable defensively he is very active in puck retrieve. Does kase be better next few season there possibilities for sure but right now tatar have a bigger impact.
As for the duck they will likely miss the olayoff this year so trading kase for tatar is pointless.


Based on some of the analytics I’ve seen their similar players. Both very good offensively although Tatar this year is awful defensively and Kase is solid defensively. Evaluating players based solely on points is funny tho.
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Nov 14 at 10:02
#10
Jah1722
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Quoting: GenericUsername489
Silfverberg, Henrique, Getzlaf, and Rakell have been good. Kase and Ritchie have been okay.


Ritchie has been pretty good and Kase has been solid based of some of the numbers I’ve seen evolving hockey.
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Nov 14 at 10:18
#11
Team caaaannnaaada
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Quoting: Jah1722
Based on some of the analytics I’ve seen their similar players. Both very good offensively although Tatar this year is awful defensively and Kase is solid defensively. Evaluating players based solely on points is funny tho.


And where have you get your number on tatar to saybthat is awful defensively. He been playing in a shutdown line with danault and gallagher for a year now and is analytics number are pretty good. Kase corsi is 8.8% with much 60% off the time started in offensive zone tatar is 5,6% with 51% started in offensive zone. You clearly hasn’t check any stats because you would have shut it. Tatar is better right now at this moment. He’s been more productive, reliable defensively and thats it. This isn’t a crack at kase he is a very good players but he isnt as good as tatar at the moment. Tatar always been defensive reliable he use to play with datsyuk in detroit in a shutdown role.
Nov 14 at 10:24
#12
Team caaaannnaaada
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Quoting: Jah1722
Based on some of the analytics I’ve seen their similar players. Both very good offensively although Tatar this year is awful defensively and Kase is solid defensively. Evaluating players based solely on points is funny tho.


Nhl is a league of result. Kase could be the best defensive forward in the game That would make him better then a guys who produced 20+goal and around 50 point a season.

That being said i like kase and i think he can be a good players in that league. He’s doesn’t get point on every goal but he deserve credit for a lot off them for is hard work and poise in is game.
Nov 14 at 11:03
#13
Jah1722
Joined: Jan 2018
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Quoting: Sebybbq
And where have you get your number on tatar to saybthat is awful defensively. He been playing in a shutdown line with danault and gallagher for a year now and is analytics number are pretty good. Kase corsi is 8.8% with much 60% off the time started in offensive zone tatar is 5,6% with 51% started in offensive zone. You clearly hasn’t check any stats because you would have shut it. Tatar is better right now at this moment. He’s been more productive, reliable defensively and thats it. This isn’t a crack at kase he is a very good players but he isnt as good as tatar at the moment. Tatar always been defensive reliable he use to play with datsyuk in detroit in a shutdown role.


Evolving hockey charts.
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Nov 14 at 11:26
#14
Team caaaannnaaada
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Quoting: Jah1722
Evolving hockey charts.


I don’t seemsny number that said tatar haved been awful defensively. Is number are actually pretty good for a guy who play against top line every night
Nov 14 at 11:42
#15
Jah1722
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Quoting: Sebybbq
I don’t seemsny number that said tatar haved been awful defensively. Is number are actually pretty good for a guy who play against top line every night


His xGA/60 is almost -2. Not good.
Nov 14 at 11:43
#16
Team caaaannnaaada
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Quoting: Jah1722
His xGA/60 is almost -2. Not good.


How can he have a negative goal against by 60 minute with a positive ratio? This doesn’t work buddy.
Nov 14 at 11:48
#17
Jah1722
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Quoting: Sebybbq
How can he have a negative goal against by 60 minute with a positive ratio? This doesn’t work buddy.


Look up the chart.
Nov 15 at 12:05
#18
Team caaaannnaaada
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Quoting: Jah1722
Look up the chart.


You can’t even be in the minus in that specific stats. This is supposed to be a positive number. Because actually if he was at -2 that would been said that he is never on ice for goal against is team.
Nov 15 at 1:55
#19
Jah1722
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Quoting: Sebybbq
You can’t even be in the minus in that specific stats. This is supposed to be a positive number. Because actually if he was at -2 that would been said that he is never on ice for goal against is team.


If you don’t want to read the chart then I can help you. His xGA/60 is very poor this season.
Nov 15 at 9:14
#20
Team caaaannnaaada
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Quoting: Jah1722
If you don’t want to read the chart then I can help you. His xGA/60 is very poor this season.


This isn’t even a real statistic. When you found s true thing against tatar defense i will listen but not you just making stuff up. He can’t have a negative goal against like i said it’s impossible.
Nov 15 at 11:20
#21
GaudsWish
Joined: Jan 2017
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Quoting: Jah1722
If you don’t want to read the chart then I can help you. His xGA/60 is very poor this season.


if Tatars xGA/60 is -2 he would be the best defensive player of all time. what this dummy is suggesting (just doesnt know it because hes a dummy) is that Tatar is -2 standard deviations from the average xGA/60, which is in fact quite poor, but his xGF more than makes up for it because his xG% is 55.52% so it doesn't really matter. Kase's xGA is better but his xGF is much worse so his xG% 49.85.

Tatar is better.
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Nov 15 at 12:14
#22
Jah1722
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Quoting: gaudetster
if Tatars xGA/60 is -2 he would be the best defensive player of all time. what this dummy is suggesting (just doesnt know it because hes a dummy) is that Tatar is -2 standard deviations from the average xGA/60, which is in fact quite poor, but his xGF more than makes up for it because his xG% is 55.52% so it doesn't really matter. Kase's xGA is better but his xGF is much worse so his xG% 49.85.

Tatar is better.


Lol tough guy behind a keyboard says that Tatar’s xGA/60 is -2 like I said. Good job. I’ve already established that.

Quoting: Sebybbq
This isn’t even a real statistic. When you found s true thing against tatar defense i will listen but not you just making stuff up. He can’t have a negative goal against like i said it’s impossible.


Imagine being a hockey fan and not know that xGF and xGA are useful stats.
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Nov 17 at 11:59
#23
GaudsWish
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Quoting: Jah1722
Lol tough guy behind a keyboard says that Tatar’s xGA/60 is -2 like I said. Good job. I’ve already established that.



Imagine being a hockey fan and not know that xGF and xGA are useful stats.


what everyone is saying is that you cant have a -2 xGA/60 the stat is a positive statistic. Show me the graph lol it will be 2 standard deviations.
 
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