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Question for Leafs fans

Created by: justaBoss
Initial Creation Date: Nov 14, 2019
Published: Nov 14, 2019 at 9:11
Team: 2019-20 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Let's imagine a hypothetical situation where Babcock gets sacked at the same day that Sheldon Keefe signs a contract with another team. I'm curious, who would you want to have as a coach when Babcock leaves, if Keefe was not available?
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: $1,100,000 (22%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
EDM
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$82,372,143$0$70,000-$872,143
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 5
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 6
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 3
TOR
Moore, Trevor
$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$675,000
C
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Ceci, Cody
$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Kaskisuo, Kasimir
$675,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$675,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
$694,444
LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Clarkson, David
$5,250,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Horton, Nathan
$5,300,000
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1

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Nov 14, 2019 at 9:15
#1
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good ol' kenny hitchcock!
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Nov 14, 2019 at 9:16
#2
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KIVI IS THE GOAT
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Quoting: sens65
good ol' kenny hitchcock!


Lmao that would be amazing
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Nov 14, 2019 at 9:17
#3
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Lmao that would be amazing


lol
Nov 14, 2019 at 9:18
#4
Zach
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I am not really sure who but it has to be someone who plays their stars longer then 18 minutes a game, realize that Ceci is a third pairing d man, that Freddy shouldn't be playing over 55 games, and Toronto is a team that plays offensively based NOT defensively based
Nov 14, 2019 at 9:21
#5
Thread Starter
KIVI IS THE GOAT
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Quoting: ZachArmel
I am not really sure who but it has to be someone who plays their stars longer then 18 minutes a game, realize that Ceci is a third pairing d man, that Freddy shouldn't be playing over 55 games, and Toronto is a team that plays offensively based NOT defensively based


As a Stars fan I get that goalie thing. We have a great duo in Bishop-Khudobin. Actually I think it was statistically the second best in the league, only after NYI last year. In today's league it's very hard to be successful with only one solid goalie, you need a good reserve goalie as well.
Nov 14, 2019 at 9:24
#6
Analytics are good
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Dale Hunter
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Nov 14, 2019 at 9:24
#7
Future pilot
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Bob Hartley
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Nov 14, 2019 at 9:39
#8
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: ZachArmel
I am not really sure who but it has to be someone who plays their stars longer then 18 minutes a game, realize that Ceci is a third pairing d man, that Freddy shouldn't be playing over 55 games, and Toronto is a team that plays offensively based NOT defensively based


Ceci is a third pairing d man (at best), you’re right about that. Problem is, they don’t have better options.
Nov 14, 2019 at 9:41
#9
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How about Mac T, Russia didnt last long!
Nov 14, 2019 at 9:44
#10
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: ZachArmel
I am not really sure who but it has to be someone who plays their stars longer then 18 minutes a game, realize that Ceci is a third pairing d man, that Freddy shouldn't be playing over 55 games, and Toronto is a team that plays offensively based NOT defensively based


First let's getting over this nonsense about Ceci. Generally your best players play the most minutes. So if you looking at who is the best Leaf RHD this season, it's probably Ceci.
Checks stats on other goalies. Some goalies play as much Andersson and with worse travel schedules. It's seem to be Leaf thing that Andersson is overworked. Maybe true, then so are other goalies.
Agree with you some of the stars should be playing more minutes. Especially if playing "easy minutes" on the PP.
Nov 14, 2019 at 9:47
#11
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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To answer Burger Boss hypothecial question. Betcha Keefe is highest paid AHL coach. In his contract he probably isn't allowed to leave mid season. Very possible the Leafs have a "right to match" clause also.
As a Leaf fan, I'm not worried. Babcock should be the first coach fired this season. I would have done a couple of years ago.
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Nov 14, 2019 at 9:50
#12
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KIVI IS THE GOAT
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Quoting: palhal
To answer Burger Boss hypothecial question. Betcha Keefe is highest paid AHL coach. In his contract he probably isn't allowed to leave mid season. Very possible the Leafs have a "right to match" clause also.
As a Leaf fan, I'm not worried. Babcock should be the first coach fired this season. I would have done a couple of years ago.


Yeah, this was purely hypothetical. I asked once couple of weeks ago like this about their next coach and almost 100% of the answers were Keefe. I wanted to hear opinions without there being an obvious option...
Nov 14, 2019 at 9:54
#13
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: BurgerBoss
Yeah, this was purely hypothetical. I asked once couple of weeks ago like this about their next coach and almost 100% of the answers were Keefe. I wanted to hear opinions without there being an obvious option...


I know it's largely up to the players, but must say Keefe seems to know how to coach. Year after year and with the usual AHL turnover he has competitive teams. Watching his teams, they seem organized to their play.
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Nov 14, 2019 at 10:08
#14
Leafs
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I don't think Keefe leaves in the first place. if the leafs fire Babcock and hand him the keys, assuming same pay and all, he won't turn it down to uproot his entire life to a new city- he'd take the job
Nov 14, 2019 at 10:12
#15
GM - Avalanche
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If Sheldon Keefe is not available, then the Leafs should hire Doug (Killer) Gilmour to coach. He would be the ultimate player coach and I think all the players would go to war for him because he is was one of the greatest Leafs captains in Maple Leaf History who played every game as if it was a game 7 in a Stanley Cup Final. They should atleast hire Gilmour as an Assistant Coach to help Babcock.
Nov 14, 2019 at 11:28
#16
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Randy Carlyle. For the chaos.
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Nov 15, 2019 at 12:02
#17
GM - Avalanche
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Travis Green would also be a good choice for the Leafs if he became available.
Nov 15, 2019 at 12:19
#18
Molson beer is meh
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Guy Boucher would be a great fit for the fan base....
Nov 15, 2019 at 6:01
#19
GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Keefe is signed for two next years by Leafs to be HC of Marlies and is I would say surely the one who gets the reigns after Babs (Babs should be gone after this b2b against Pens and Bruins). So this is completely unrealistic. But lets say Keefe is not an option in this hypothetical scenario, I would looooove to see what a guy like Dominique Ducharme can do with this team (and I know he is MTLs assistant coach, its all hypothetical now lol)
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Nov 15, 2019 at 4:15
#20
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Quoting: ZachArmel
I am not really sure who but it has to be someone who plays their stars longer then 18 minutes a game, realize that Ceci is a third pairing d man, that Freddy shouldn't be playing over 55 games, and Toronto is a team that plays offensively based NOT defensively based


Please explain how the Leafs are a "defensive based" and you want them to be a "offensive based" team? The Leafs are near the top of the league while 5 on 5 in the following offensive categories: Corsi For (1), Corsi For % (3), Shots For (3), Goals For (6), Scoring Chances For (6), etc. And you want them to be MORE offensive??? Scoring goals is one thing that's not a problem. Giving up goals and special teams are a problem.

It's a very fine line between winning and losing games in the NHL. Improvement on special teams and eliminating the 2-3 major brain farts per game they usually have and you would see wins coming much more consistently. Paying less attention to their defensive game and trying to score more is the worst idea.
Nov 16, 2019 at 5:45
#21
Zach
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Ceci is a third pairing d man (at best), you’re right about that. Problem is, they don’t have better options.


Justin Holl, Tyson barrie, rasmus sandin…
Nov 16, 2019 at 5:48
#22
Zach
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Quoting: Leaf_Fan_93
Please explain how the Leafs are a "defensive based" and you want them to be a "offensive based" team? The Leafs are near the top of the league while 5 on 5 in the following offensive categories: Corsi For (1), Corsi For % (3), Shots For (3), Goals For (6), Scoring Chances For (6), etc. And you want them to be MORE offensive??? Scoring goals is one thing that's not a problem. Giving up goals and special teams are a problem.

It's a very fine line between winning and losing games in the NHL. Improvement on special teams and eliminating the 2-3 major brain farts per game they usually have and you would see wins coming much more consistently. Paying less attention to their defensive game and trying to score more is the worst idea.


Babs is trying to get Toronto to play more defensively sound, Toronto was built to win by having the puck more and transitioning quickly to offense. Toronto is having less and less chances per game and their defense is not really improving. This is a problem. Toronto needs to be able to play more in the offensive zone and stop being a boring team (which is the way they are playing right not). Games used to be fun to watch but now it seems like more of a chore then anything and it's frustrating with a team with this much talent
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Nov 16, 2019 at 5:52
#23
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Quoting: ZachArmel
Babs is trying to get Toronto to play more defensively sound, Toronto was built to win by having the puck more and transitioning quickly to offense. Toronto is having less and less chances per game and their defense is not really improving. This is a problem. Toronto needs to be able to play more in the offensive zone and stop being a boring team (which is the way they are playing right not). Games used to be fun to watch but now it seems like more of a chore then anything and it's frustrating with a team with this much talent


Spot on.

I find that if I drink beer while I watch the games this season its a bit more enjoyable. I don't find them beautiful like Babcock, but beer helps me to tolerate some of it.
Nov 16, 2019 at 6:29
#24
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KIVI IS THE GOAT
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Quoting: blowing_the_zone
Spot on.

I find that if I drink beer while I watch the games this season its a bit more enjoyable. I don't find them beautiful like Babcock, but beer helps me to tolerate some of it.


Maybe Babcock should down a beer or two before games. That might spark some creativity lol.
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