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the most I would give up for Taylor hall

Created by: Isles777
Initial Creation Date: Nov 15, 2019
Published: Nov 15 at 5:31 pm
Team: 2019-20 New York Islanders
Trades
NYI
  1. Hall, Taylor
NJD
  1. Bellows, Kieffer
  2. Wilde, Bode
  3. 2020 1st round pick (NYI)
Buyouts
  • Rick DiPietro: $0
Buried
  • Andrew Ladd: $4,425,000 ($5,500,000)
  • Thomas Hickey: $1,425,000 ($2,500,000)
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2020
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
2021
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
2022
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
NYI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$79,827,499$0$1,070,000$1,672,501
Left WingCenterRight Wing
NJD
Hall, Taylor
$6,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
NYI
Barzal, Mathew
$863,333
C
RFA - 1
NYI
Eberle, Jordan
$5,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 5
NYI
Lee, Anders
$7,000,000
LW, C
NTC
UFA - 7
NYI
Nelson, Brock
$6,000,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 6
NYI
Bailey, Josh
$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
NYI
Beauvillier, Anthony
$2,100,000
LW
RFA - 2
NYI
Koivula, Otto
$786,666
LW, RW, C
RFA - 2
NYI
Brassard, Derick
$1,200,000
C
UFA - 1
NYI
Martin, Matt
$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
NYI
Cizikas, Casey
$3,350,000
C
UFA - 2
NYI
Clutterbuck, Cal
$3,500,000
RW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
NYI
Pelech, Adam
$1,600,000
LD
RFA - 2
NYI
Pulock, Ryan
$2,000,000
RD
RFA - 1
NYI
Varlamov, Semyon
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 4
NYI
Leddy, Nick
$5,500,000
LD
UFA - 3
NYI
Dobson, Noah
$894,167
RD
RFA - 3
NYI
Greiss, Thomas
$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
NYI
Toews, Devon
$700,000
LD
RFA - 1
NYI
Mayfield, Scott
$1,450,000
RD
UFA - 4
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
NYI
Dal Colle, Michael
$700,000
LW
RFA - 2
NYI
Komarov, Leo
$3,000,000
RW, LW, C
NTC
UFA - 3
NYI
Boychuk, Johnny
$6,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3

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Nov 15 at 5:32
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GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Then you are not getting Hall.. its pretty easy.
Nov 15 at 5:33
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Not giving that up to a division rival.
Nov 15 at 5:33
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Isles777
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Then you are not getting Hall.. its pretty easy.


I don't think its far off, and I don't think we need hall anyways to be cup contenders. Theres other players that will cost much less.
Nov 15 at 5:33
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As a rental this is fair. But as we've all seen on here, NJ prob asks for at least for an extra 1st if he re-signs. But all in all its a reasonable offer. In the division makes it harder though.
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Nov 15 at 5:33
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Hey Beter
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Then you are not getting Hall.. its pretty easy.


What the f*** is the price for Hall then? That's a lofty goddamn price, and I'd argue it's more than Ottawa got for Stone.
Nov 15 at 5:36
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Quoting: joshelkin
As a rental this is fair. But as we've all seen on here, NJ prob asks for at least for an extra 1st if he re-signs. But all in all its a reasonable offer. In the division makes it harder though.


I don't think hall would re-sign with the islanders and honestly I have no interest in spending 11 + mill for a soon to be 30 year old winger
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Nov 15 at 5:47
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Thats still giving up a lot
Nov 15 at 5:48
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Quoting: joshelkin
As a rental this is fair. But as we've all seen on here, NJ prob asks for at least for an extra 1st if he re-signs. But all in all its a reasonable offer. In the division makes it harder though.


Hall has 2 goals rn. And averages 50 points a season. I think capfriendly fams are going to be disappointed with his actual return
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Nov 15 at 5:52
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Thats still giving up a lot


yeah, I guess. I just wouldn't give up wahlstrom, Dobson, or Sorokin like many on this site are proposing. I wouldn't trade any of those players 1 for 1, even if hall came with an extension.
Nov 15 at 6:00
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
What the f*** is the price for Hall then? That's a lofty goddamn price, and I'd argue it's more than Ottawa got for Stone.


leafs fans think it would take Barzal to get hall.
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Nov 15 at 6:25
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
What the f*** is the price for Hall then? That's a lofty goddamn price, and I'd argue it's more than Ottawa got for Stone.


or maybe ottawa didn't get enough in the stone trade
Nov 15 at 6:31
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Quoting: mondo
or maybe ottawa didn't get enough in the stone trade


Not the point. That trade's the precedent now, and no matter how good Brannstrom can/will be, you can't take a player lesser in value than Mark Stone and give up more for him.

In hindsight, I don't know what else Ottawa could have really asked for over what they got for Stone. The optics of not getting a 1st Round Pick back are awful sure - especially considering there was an utter lack of assets in exchange for Stone extending in Vegas - but in terms of raw value I think they did well. Getting a better pick probably meant not getting Brannstrom, so you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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Nov 15 at 6:45
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Quoting: SammyT_51
Then you are not getting Hall.. its pretty easy.


This would be the best offer they got by a wide margin, in my opinion.
Nov 15 at 7:05
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Not the point. That trade's the precedent now, and no matter how good Brannstrom can/will be, you can't take a player lesser in value than Mark Stone and give up more for him.

In hindsight, I don't know what else Ottawa could have really asked for over what they got for Stone. The optics of not getting a 1st Round Pick back are awful sure - especially considering there was an utter lack of assets in exchange for Stone extending in Vegas - but in terms of raw value I think they did well. Getting a better pick probably meant not getting Brannstrom, so you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.


it's cool how hall has a hart and stone doesn't and he's somehow the lesser player.
Nov 15 at 7:08
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Quoting: mondo
it's cool how hall has a hart and stone doesn't and he's somehow the lesser player.


Stone was second in WAR behind McDavid last season. He’s a PPG player and he’s one of (if not the best) defensive winger in the game. I’d take stone over hall any day.
Nov 15 at 7:16
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Quoting: mondo
it's cool how hall has a hart and stone doesn't and he's somehow the lesser player.


If you think the PHWA has an ounce of an idea as to what they're doing - and not to discredit Hall for his Hart season - then you're grossly mistaken as to what a Hart-caliber player actually is.

Any hockey fan that's graduated from spreading Eklund rumours would take Stone over Hall any day of the week, almost without hesitation. Factor in that Hall will ask for Panarin-esque money this summer: the gap between how much value each player brings their club only widens.
Nov 15 at 7:42
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Quoting: Isles777
Stone was second in WAR behind McDavid last season. He’s a PPG player and he’s one of (if not the best) defensive winger in the game. I’d take stone over hall any day.


Quoting: BeterChiarelli
If you think the PHWA has an ounce of an idea as to what they're doing - and not to discredit Hall for his Hart season - then you're grossly mistaken as to what a Hart-caliber player actually is.

Any hockey fan that's graduated from spreading Eklund rumours would take Stone over Hall any day of the week, almost without hesitation. Factor in that Hall will ask for Panarin-esque money this summer: the gap between how much value each player brings their club only widens.


hardware is valued more than spreadsheet numbers, especially when you're dealing with guys like shero and lou.

you really think a hardass like ray shero is going to give his top winger to a rival team for a lackluster prospect winger, a defensive prospect and a low first?
Nov 15 at 7:50
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Quoting: mondo
hardware is valued more than spreadsheet numbers, especially when you're dealing with guys like shero and lou.

you really think a hardass like ray shero is going to give his top winger to a rival team for a lackluster prospect winger, a defensive prospect and a low first?


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Given that Hall is likely to be exchanged for an A-prospect and a 1st Round Pick out of division, I quite like the return of a 1st round Pick, an A-prospect, and a high-ceiling B-prospect within division.

Ignore the inside vs outside the division horsesh*t for a minute. What benefits the Devils more? A bigger return or a lesser return? Get back to me when you rub the right combination of brain cells together to figure out that dilemma.
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Nov 15 at 7:51
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli


Given that Hall is likely to be exchanged for an A-prospect and a 1st Round Pick out of division, I quite like the return of a 1st round Pick, an A-prospect, and a high-ceiling B-prospect within division.

Ignore the inside vs outside the division horsesh*t for a minute. What benefits the Devils more? A bigger return or a lesser return? Get back to me when you rub the right combination of brain cells together to figure out that dilemma.


personally i think the devils want more for hall than what your brain genius team got for him
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Nov 15 at 7:54
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Quoting: mondo
hardware is valued more than spreadsheet numbers, especially when you're dealing with guys like shero and lou.

you really think a hardass like ray shero is going to give his top winger to a rival team for a lackluster prospect winger, a defensive prospect and a low first?


Mark stone brings more value to a team than Taylor hall and there really is no arguing that.
Nov 15 at 7:54
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Quoting: mondo
personally i think the devils want more for hall than what your brain genius team got for him


I would hope so, otherwise I'd be driving Larsson to the airport myself
Nov 15 at 7:56
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Mark stone brings more value to a team than Taylor hall and there really is no arguing that.


my original point was that the return for stone was underwhelming given the caliber of the player, and i don't think the devils would be smart in asking for a comparable return. regarding the trade i think the islanders would need to switch out bellows for someone with a higher ceiling.
Nov 15 at 8:02
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Quoting: mondo
my original point was that the return for stone was underwhelming given the caliber of the player, and i don't think the devils would be smart in asking for a comparable return. regarding the trade i think the islanders would need to switch out bellows for someone with a higher ceiling.


Stone got the return contingent on him signing a long term deal. Taylor hall does not plan to sign with any team until July 1st, that decreases the value he got in a trade. There really isn’t that big of a difference between bode Wilde and brannstrom. Brannstrom is the better prospect, but not by much. Stone didn’t even get a return of a 1st rd pick.
 
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