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best plyr on every team

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Initial Creation Date: Nov. 17, 2019
Published: Nov. 17, 2019
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Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:30 p.m.
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DeBrincat > Kane
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Quoting: mhockey91
No, it’s called using them appropriately and with common sense. Obviously there are some outliers in these advance stats. Any rational hockey fan knows Jones >>> savard. Or how Hammer isn’t the best player on his team.

Like I said, when evaluating players there are multiple factors to consider such as eye test, point production, etc...


so a "rational fan" just uses points to judge players. got it. feel free to leave now thanks smile
Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:31 p.m.
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Quoting: kopiino
when did i say patrick kane isnt a good hockey player? hes been garbage this season, but he isnt a bad player


All I'm saying is dont use analytics to solely judge how a player has been it's a good tool but only if it's used right
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Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:31 p.m.
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DeBrincat > Kane
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Bro are you dumb Jones is a top 5 top 10 d man lmao stfu


care to elaborate as to how he is?
Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:32 p.m.
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Quoting: kopiino
so a "rational fan" just uses points to judge players. got it. feel free to leave now thanks smile


I said a mix of points, eye test, analytics, etc. But yes I will leave because this threat is most certainly not my time. Not arguing Jones vs Savard when everyone clearly knows whose better. Or nylander vs marner/ Tavares loooool
Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:32 p.m.
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Quoting: Dylan1995
All I'm saying is dont use analytics to solely judge how a player has been it's a good tool but only if it's used right


Exactly!!! Dyl knows what’s good
Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:34 p.m.
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what is this crock of ****e
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Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:35 p.m.
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I put math in hockey
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Quoting: mhockey91
GAR is a horrible analytic. Jack Johnson has one of the best GAR on Pittsburgh. Defend that one. Analytics aren’t everything buddy. They’re a great tool, but so is common sense. You’re over thinking this

https://twitter.com/gunnerstaal/status/1192556564353302528?s=21

https://twitter.com/gunnerstaal/status/1131903178109325312?s=21


GAR is designed to work with 3-ish years of data. When using the correct sample size, Johnson ranks 7th-worst among everyone who's played for the penguins since the start of the 16-17 season. If we go from the start of last year, Johnson's 4th-wprst among Penguins from that span. Seems about right.

Quoting: Dylan1995
Bro are you dumb Jones is a top 5 top 10 d man lmao stfu


Going from the start of the 17-18 season, Jones ranks 50th in GAR among all dmen with > 3000 minutes in this span, and 25th among all dmen with over 4000. That's not bad, he's right next to Shea Theodore in the 3000 cutoff and right under Ryan Suter in the 4000 cutoff. Certainly not top 5 to ten though, there are plenty better defensemen. (Savard's 27th in the 3000 example and misses the TOI cutoff for the 4000 example).
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Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:36 p.m.
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I put math in hockey
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Quoting: kopiino
also where are you getting your GAR from? i think we have some discrepancies in our numbers


Evolving-hockey.com
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Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:37 p.m.
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I put math in hockey
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Quoting: Dylan1995
All I'm saying is dont use analytics to solely judge how a player has been it's a good tool but only if it's used right


In general, I feel analytics should be the immediate baseline unless there's a specific contextual reason that the analytics are missing something.

If you've got one, feel free to share!
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Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:37 p.m.
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DeBrincat > Kane
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Quoting: The_Ultimate_Pielord
Evolving-hockey.com


oh shoot nvm i just had the wrong years clicked on it lmao
Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:39 p.m.
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I put math in hockey
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Quoting: Rodzikhockey93
what is this crock of ****e


Welcome to analytics vs. eye test round several million. At least it's better than the free speech culture war argument I had on here last night.
Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Rodzikhockey93
what is this crock of ****e


When someone says Nylander is better than Tavares, just reply “YAYAYA forsure bro”
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Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:43 p.m.
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Analytics are good
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is this what you do now that you’re unemployed? IDIOT
Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:45 p.m.
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is this what you do now that you’re unemployed? IDIOT


bro stfu i have a job, i dont get to live off of my mom's money because, unlike yours, my mom doesnt work in real estate.
Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:45 p.m.
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Quoting: The_Ultimate_Pielord
Evolving-hockey.com


Lmao the same site that's ran by people who generally believe
Marcus foligono should be a selkie finalist lmao
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Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:45 p.m.
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Analytics are good
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Quoting: kopiino
bro stfu i have a job, i dont get to live off of my mom's money because, unlike yours, my mom doesnt work in real estate.


neither does mine dumb idiot man
Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:46 p.m.
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Analytics are good
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Quoting: Dylan1995
Lmao the same site that's ran by people who generally believe
Marcus foligono should be a selkie finalist lmao


he was the best defensive forward in the league last season so yeah he shouldve been
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Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:47 p.m.
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neither does mine dumb idiot man


what if we kissed in the comments of best plyr on every team acgm team flushed cheeks
Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:48 p.m.
#44
Analytics are good
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what if we kissed in the comments of best plyr on every team acgm team flushed cheeks


flushed cheeks
Nov. 17, 2019 at 1:54 p.m.
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Quoting: mhockey91
When someone says Nylander is better than Tavares, just reply “YAYAYA forsure bro”


When someone says Nylander is better than Tavares, just reply “YAYAYA forsure bro”
Nov. 17, 2019 at 2:53 p.m.
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Blackhawks: Kane is better than debrincat currently
Canadians: Price is better than Domi ( hard to compare but yes)
Leafs: Mathews is clearly their best player, maybe top 5 in the league
Vancouver: Petterson is better right now than Boeser and the gap will only get further, but this ones understandable.
Coyotes: Oliver Ekman Larson is just better than Nikk, its not very close.
Nashville: Both Josi and Ellis are better than Ekholm, if you like advanced stats, Ellis might be the biggest analytics darling on the planet, but Josi is no slouch
Jets: Best player is Schefflie ( Cant spell that ****) not very close here either
Carolina: Slavin is way better than Dougie, I love his offense as much as anyone else but Slavin is the best player on that team.
Columbus: Werenski and Jones are both better than Savard, even if hes good defensively its still not very close
Kings: Doughty is better than Walker, I don't care if he has fallen off a bit he's still better, I know analytics don't like him and he is overrated but he is still better
Sharks: I think its Couture, Karelson is obviously great, but his hips and his age are gunna be the end of him here real soon
Dallas: Seguin is better, hard to compare to goalies though so forgivable
Blues: I like Ryan O'Rielly better, i like Alex P. down there better, Parayko is right with him tho, but for me its either O'Rielly or Tarasenko, even though he has taken a decline in the last couple years, he is still the second most prolific scorer in the last 5 years.

Bassically, its an OK list but a lot of over relying on specific analytics, WAR and GaE are great at telling specific stories, but in evaluating a players value overall there is a lot more to look at than what is really worth your time to weed through.

But mentioning good players in conversations like this where they don't really belong YET is good because it gets the conversation started for when they really are the best player on their team.
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Nov. 17, 2019 at 3:04 p.m.
#47
Analytics are good
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Quoting: mhockey91
GAR is a bad Advance stat. Jack Johnson has one of the best GAR on Pittsburgh. Defend that one. Analytics aren’t everything. They’re a great tool, but so is common sense. You’re over thinking this

https://twitter.com/gunnerstaal/status/1192556564353302528?s=21

https://twitter.com/gunnerstaal/status/1131903178109325312?s=21


Just because GAR shows that Johnson hasn't been a complete trainwreck this year doesn't discredit the stat as a whole
Nov. 17, 2019 at 3:51 p.m.
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Quoting: PenGoater99
Just because GAR shows that Johnson hasn't been a complete trainwreck this year doesn't discredit the stat as a whole


I’m just saying, basing this list solely off that stat is a mistake. IN WHAT WORLD IS NATE WALKER BETTER THAN HOF DOUGHTY OR KOPITAR LMAO

Not to mention the other extremely hot takes. Like nylander better than matthews, marner, or Savard better than Werenski, PLD, Jones
Nov. 17, 2019 at 4:05 p.m.
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Quoting: PenGoater99
Just because GAR shows that Johnson hasn't been a complete trainwreck this year doesn't discredit the stat as a whole


Yeah but it does show it is flawed, and that outlire shows that using it as a be all end all is not really close to reality
Nov. 17, 2019 at 4:09 p.m.
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Earfgang
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Quoting: kopiino
savard is easily the best player on the blue jackets
hjalmarsson is the best dfd in the league and could be considered at top 10 D
walker is the only player id even consider to be good on the kings bar clifford


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